Live data from Hacker News

Just Be Rich

keenen.xyz

931–940 of 1001 posts

Re: Just Be Rich

#931
post #799
post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Bill Gates 501c3 puts back less than 1 percent off their benovelent humanitarian money back to the United States. The country that coddled him, an his connected mother. This is just a thinly veiled way of saying "america first".

How so exactly?

It's not obvious? "The needs of america should come first. Don't spend money on those other countries, spend money on the US instead".

Re: Just Be Rich

#932
post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in NZ and it's craz I've here too. I don't know if that's a symptom of a wealth gap or something else. What ever it is it's a real issue. I personally think prices are inflated by low interest rates and the bubble is going to pop at some point.

Thank God you guys have Jacinda, though. Our government doesn't have the balls to get rid of negative gearing, let alone completely nullifying tax deductions on mortgage repayments.

You have stamp duty and all sorts of other measures in place at a state level (looking at Land Tax in QLD) that at least generates revenue from this. New Zealand has none of these, and as a result property flipping is rampant - the turnover of property is 3-5x higher in parts of NZ than anywhere else in AU.

Re: Just Be Rich

#933

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and Russ both need to take a look at [1]. Socioeconomic mobility has massively fallen in the US over time. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/09/social-mobility-upwar...

Interesting. I'll have to fully grok it later. I've never thought about defining upward mobility as doing better than your parents.

Is this adjusted for inflation?

Re: Just Be Rich

#934
post #641

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, tax won't help. The reason is because the population grew and the amount of land available stayed the same. (Google London population growth charts).

How much of the increased housing costs is due to growth and how much due to lack of real-estate taxes? Real estate prices are going up everywhere - including places with negative demographic trends.

Again, Google the population growth charts for London. It's been increasing since the 90's. Yet, there's still the same amount of space. Taxes will probably have unintended consequences, ripple down the whole economy. Another post-Brexit blow.

Re: Just Be Rich

#935

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I right there with you when you talk about power imbalance, and although wealth and power are tightly linked, I think they can be discussed separately. I have no problem with the 1% having all the money as long as they are not using it to wield power and extracting rent from the rest of us. I think there are issues with our Democracy and our Media, not with our Capitalism. PS: if we wanted to, a democracy could simpl…

> I think there are issues with our Democracy and our Media, not with our Capitalism. The question is, how do you stop Capitalism from subverting Democracy and the Media to perpetuate itself? I think one can successfully argue that capitalism is a human-scale paperclip maximizer, but for capital. > PS: if we wanted to, a democracy could simply make it illegal buy investment property insuring that everybody had somewh…

>The question is, how do you stop Capitalism from subverting Democracy and the Media to perpetuate itself?

You craft a set of rules that Capitalism must play within. We have a pretty good set of rules now. No murder, no slaves, no obvious pollution. But there is room for improvement.

My suggestions are... 1. More media diversity (Media ownership rules). 2. Cap political donations to something that everybody can afford. (Say for example no more than $500 per person per year, no company donations)

I also sometimes suggest that the media (and social networks) should be held more accountable for the things they print and broadcast. (it's an unpopular opinion)

America is a lot bigger than where I am in Australia. Here, I'm optimistic that we can see small incremental changes that will help us balance power. regardless of the opinions of the super rich.

With a diverse media, enough pressure can occasionally be applied in key areas.

Re: Just Be Rich

#936
post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in a family of 7 (4 younger siblings), during civil war, father was into gamling and drinking, mother was unemployed and constantly on the verge of a mental breakdown (understandable given the conditions she was living in). To paint the picture, I have vivid memories of vomiting a boiled onion I ate after not eating for days (I think I was arround 5 years old). And we were poor well into my early 20s untill…

> So I don't think it's something you can solve with money alone, having functional parents is always going to set you up to do better in life. Do you think your parents being in poverty (if they were) or a similar situation made it as difficult for them as it was for you? It seems to be an obviously vicious cycle that is difficult to break without education and opportunity for people in these situations.

I don't know how much you can generalise from my story, but both of my parents came from middle class families, they got the money to buy our first studio apartment from them, father got jobs through family connections. But he was a weak willed man who got evertyhing from his parents and had no ambition or drive, he fumbled several easy jobs, I can remember the arguments he got into with my mother over not working saturdays because "it's not worth it". At some point he got in to gambling too. Mother was unstable personality and she detiriorated as father was screwing up, leading to both sides of the family cutting us off (because of how hostile she was) - very self entitled in the sense that she expected things to be a certain way and others were to make it happen for her (not in the sefish way tho, she invested most of what she had into us, even if it wasn't in best ways). So those two were just a dystfunctional feedback loop, and yet somehow they ended up having 6 kids.

Re: Just Be Rich

#937

Inequality by itself is not a bad thing. Let's start from there. If 90% of the population had a (sustainable) lifestyle of current dollar millionaires, and the remaining 10% had a (sustainable) lifestyle of dollar billionaires, there would be lots of inequality, but it wouldn't be problematic. Inequality is only bad if you're in a zero-sum game. The rich do have the power to extract rents and "rig the system" to ceme…

> Inequality by itself is not a bad thing. Isn't it? Even when taken to extremes? Wealth inequality is in direct conflict with a core value of democracy: one person one vote is reduced to a bit of a joke when there are people who can easily afford to pay an army of hundreds of political operatives to flood public discourse with their opinion. A little inequality doesn't hurt, but the existence of billionaires (even 1…

That sounds like a systemic problem with democracy, not wealth inequality. You want to put people in charge of making decisions both for themselves and for others, but you don't trust them to make those decisions properly. The issue here isn't so much the influence of money on public discourse as the ever-increasing divergence between the myriad things the government involves itself in and the naturally limited qualifications (and standing) of the average voter regarding each of those complex issues.

Re: Just Be Rich

#938

Inequality by itself is not a bad thing. Let's start from there. If 90% of the population had a (sustainable) lifestyle of current dollar millionaires, and the remaining 10% had a (sustainable) lifestyle of dollar billionaires, there would be lots of inequality, but it wouldn't be problematic. Inequality is only bad if you're in a zero-sum game. The rich do have the power to extract rents and "rig the system" to ceme…

It's not just about QoL, income inequality corrupts political systems, which unravels everything else. It's also worth saying that a very easy way of increasing the QoL of those at the bottom is to take a tiny fraction from those at the top. And generally, people aren't talking about the average small business owner who makes $200k/yr profit. We're talking about people who have more than $50m in a big money vault. It…

> We're talking about people who have more than $50m in a big money vault.

"Those at the top" don't generally have that much cash. They have shares in companies, often ones they started themselves, which happen to be worth a large amount on paper. If you wanted to distribute that in a form people could actually spend (not just moving shares around) you would have to liquidate the companies those shares represent. In the process you would destroy far more wealth than you distributed and eliminate services and production capacity which were previously working for the benefit of the very people you're claiming to help.

People like to complain about public companies and their alleged focus on short-term gains, but that's exactly what this proposal represents: a short-lived and highly diffuse gain in short-term consumption for the masses at the expense of long-term capital investment and productivity.

Re: Just Be Rich

#939

I'm just gonna quote what I think is a very important part from the Graham piece itself >" People who don't look any deeper than the Gini coefficient look back on the world of 1982 as the good old days, because those who got rich then didn't get as rich. But if you dig into how they got rich, the old days don't look so good. In 1982, 84% of the richest 100 people got rich by inheritance, extracting natural resources,…

A bit odd to criticize them for being "Protestant" and then quote CS Lewis.

Re: Just Be Rich

#940
post #929

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's re-building all of the wealth your family spent generations accumulating, every 50 years. Only if you assume a 0% rate-of-return on your family's wealth. With a realistic assumption about rate-of-return, your wealth will never deplete because of a 2% wealth tax. It will simply grow more slowly.

You can't invest a family farm, or a painting. I will repeat myself a 3rd time - if the goal is to slow the growth of wealth, the right course of action is to raise the tax rate on the returns to that wealth. If you tax wealth itself, you're needlessly relying on the investability of said wealth, as well as on market returns.

Family farms produce income and are rarely large enough to hit the threshold for these proposed taxes.

As for case of non-income generating wealth, too bad. If you can't manage to generate the absolutely pathetically low returns (2%!) that would be needed, then you don't deserve to be rich forever.

Post reply on HN