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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by NoOneNew »

brian_cloutier wrote: post #790
Sebb767 wrote: post #757

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No. The blockage is the problem; anything on that ship is basically irrelevant from an economical perspective. Especially when we're talking about weeks of downtime.

Who internalizes those costs though? Only the owner of the ship is allowed to harm it and the owner would like the cargo to remain undamaged. I suppose the many other entities which would like to use the canal could pay the owner enough to make damaging the ship and cargo economical? Egypt might be able to unilaterally decide to destroy the ship but I don't know how much benefit Egypt gets from keeping the canal open…

I feel like theres a lot of international and maritime laws Egypt would violate if they just decide to blow the cargo ship without consent from all parties. This would make further trade relations with anyone... sour?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by one2three4 »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

The economic fallout will be big and it gets worse day by day. And we weren't exactly in the best shape to begin with...

Suez canal seems to be a Single Point of Failure.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by imtringued »

eternalban wrote: post #457
grenoire wrote: post #48

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Weeks are measured in what I'd call, a lot of money. Is it a consolidation of funds sort of issue? Anybody responsible for getting it fixed?

Egypt is bleeding money right now. It earned roughly USD 15,360,000.00/day from Suez passage fees in 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Authority#Revenues

That's more than 5% of the total government revenue. It can definitively lead to instability in the currency because the government might be forced to print the deficit if it cannot secure funding through other means. The inflation rate is well above 2% which means that the government should cut spending and only put money into investments that net a return (cleaning up the canal nets a return).

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by School-Cotton »

adflux wrote: post #155
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Love the armchair engineers who think they're gonna solve this better than billion dollar companies

Proposing ideas shouldn’t be taken as suggesting that the poster is confident the ideas are correct, but rather as an invitation to talk through whether it would work and maybe learn something interesting.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by imtringued »

cricalix wrote: post #254
thewarrior wrote: post #213

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Crazy idea : Can we roll it into the water by pulling it over high strength rollers of some sort ? It would be pretty cool to use the same technique that was use to build the pyramids.

Sane answer: No. The ship is 400 metres / 0.25 of a mile long. With containers, it weighs anywhere up to 199 thousand tons. One does not simply attach a few hundred cables, put some rollers under it, and pull with all the tractors you can find in Egypt. Also, it's already in the water. It's just turned sideways and buried the bulb (by the looks) into the canal wall.

Is it possible to weld a large steel wire onto the ship and use some sort of explosive to pull it out of the sand?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by imtringued »

nabla9 wrote: post #263
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Lloyd's List estimated that every day Suez is closed costs US$9 billion ($400 million per hour). If it could be done technically and open up the canal, it would be cheaper for insurance companies to buy the ship, it's cargo, buy all nearby property and then blow the whole ship up.

Slice the containers into three pieces. Take each piece by helicopter. It would probably take a month.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by akg_67 »

koheripbal wrote: post #925
masklinn wrote: post #833

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> Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. One thing many people are missing is the Suez Canal is not concrete, it’s sand, so the canal “walls” are not vertical they’re a relatively gentle 3:1 slope (4:1 in wider areas). Meaning only the center half of the cana…

There are locks on either end of the canal. I wonder if the water level can be raised a little to help?

There is high tide in canal till next Thursday. It is the best window moving the ship. Once low tide, it will be much more difficult to unstuck the ship and move.

https://www.tide-forecast.com/locations/Suez-Egypt/tides/lat...

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by School-Cotton »

ignoramous wrote: post #408
baggy_trough wrote: post #359

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Or what?

...or 24h * 7d * 2w * 400 million = 134 billion USD. Sounds like a lot of money, if GP's right?

NB: 400M is the normal throughput, not the loss while closed. It would only be the total loss while closed if all those goods somehow vanished.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by imtringued »

fuzxi wrote: post #710
lamontcg wrote: post #160

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Just let the air out of the tires, simple.

Why don't they just give me a long enough lever so I can simply lift the ship out of the canal?

Put huge hydraulic cylinders below the ship. The obvious problem is, what are those cylinders anchored to?
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