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YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by bspammer »

hzay wrote: post #830
efreak wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is far from the only thing ytdl is useful for. I have a particular hate for youtube and basically don't go there, but still make plenty of use of youtube-dl.

Where do you use it? I didn't realize it works on other video websites as well...

Here's a list of sites that it supports (google cache link because the original seems down, potentially due to the DMCA). It would be difficult to find a reasonably sized site that it doesn't support.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VI0TGu...

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by htrap »

Saw this coming. We are working on https://dgit.sh for the last couple of months. Dgit is a decentralized code collaboration platform where we harness the power of git for versioning and arweave blockchain for permanent data storage. We also have a Dgit community on https://community.xyz where the stakeholders take all decisions transparently via a vote. Dgit will be available for use after its launch on 2nd November. If you are interested in what we are doing feel free to join our discord and chat with us https://bit.ly/dgitchat

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by scoot_718 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #656
stingraycharles wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to add a data point, but back when I still was working for a video distribution startup, we offered our customers the ability to directly import their video inventory from YouTube. They were the owners of the videos, it was just a convenient (and very popular!) feature for them to let us handle this import. We used YouTube-dl for this, of course. No way we could have done this easily without it. We imported hund…

Right, but that's not the heart of the matter. It's one thing if a tool designed for legitimate archiving use results in incidental violation of copyright. It's another thing entirely, legally, if a tool is designed for violating copyright. In such case, it doesn't matter if there are also legitimate fair use uses of the tool. And that's what the README showed: that youtube-dl was built primarily to violate copyright…

Sounds like Google are the ones infringing, not youtube-dl.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by kmlx »

iso1210 wrote: post #910
kmlx wrote: post #852

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn’t DMCA a US law? so why not move youtube-dl outside the US github to a country that doesn’t have DMCA/copyright?

The US decided their laws, specifically the DMCA, applied globally back in 2001 [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd .

the US is free to decide whatever they want. that doesn’t mean it will also be accepted by other states.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by dqv »

hzay wrote: post #830
efreak wrote: post #827

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is far from the only thing ytdl is useful for. I have a particular hate for youtube and basically don't go there, but still make plenty of use of youtube-dl.

Where do you use it? I didn't realize it works on other video websites as well...

I use it on Twitter a lot because tweets are so prone to getting deleted.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by Adutude »

larrik wrote: post #105
jchw wrote: post #4

Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…

From my perspective it kind of seems like YouTube-dl is like a knife, it can cut your food, but it can also be used to kill someone. In the case of YouTube-dl the knife was included with instructions on how to kill someone, so it was deemed a potential "murder weapon".

  What if someone sold a car and included instructions on how to run over pedestrians?  Should the car no longer be sold, or should the instructions be removed?
My point here is that banning all of something based on the fact that the something could be used to commit illegal acts, when that same something also has legitimate legal uses, is a slippery slope. These days the RIAA pretty much lives on that slippery slope.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by Eli_P »

Iv wrote: post #800

Delenda RIAA The whole copyright industry is based on toxic premises that do not hold true anymore in the internet age. By now, different models have been proven to work. Make them the norm. Abolish copyright. Or turn them back into what they were supposed to be: a TEMPORARY protection of a work since first publication (originally 21 years IIRC). Old Disney characters, superheroes invented in the 40s and 50s, even th…

> Abolish copyright

If they did, it'd be still complicated. A real example, a modder makes some content for an old abandoned game. He needs some voice over, so he contacts the original voice actors, but they deny to do that job on the grounds of being a member of org like this[1] which strictly prohibits to take side jobs.

And to make it even more complicated, consider tools like for making deep fakes; if somebody makes a neural network that emulates the original voice, should it be sub-licensed or copyrighted? Can a voice be copyrighted?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAG-AFTRA

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by vms20591 »

This was bound to happen with proprietary services like GitHub. It's better to use self-hostable services like GitLab & Gitea, where we can have regular backups of everything - code, issues and any other metadata. So, the service can be up shortly.

Sure, GitHub like features offer more than just a space to host our code. It has become a goto site for example, finding new and interesting repos to contribute to.

It's important that the devs or community that develop a software think about the potential censorship it might have to encounter from thugs like DMCA, based on what is it that they develop and evaluate the choice of hosting.

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