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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by JangoSteve »

mvdwoord wrote: post #281
panpanna wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. Not anymore! To be consistent with their business screw ups, they addressed this with the latest updates. Now the mobile app a mess like the rest of Mozilla.

This, I have been a long time FF on Android user, mostly due to the ability to run add-ons (ublock etc). Latest update complete botched it. Couple of hnags/restarts every day, jittery UI, unintuitive button placement (e.g. new tab)... I want to use Firefox (or any decent browser not based on chrome), for several reasons, but this way it gets harder and harder to justify to myself. What alternatives do we have for non…

The latest Android Firefox update also disabled several of the addons I was using, as apparently they are now incompatible until the addon developers do some extra work to fix whatever backward incompatibility Mozilla introduced with the latest version.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by indymike »

warbaker wrote: post #813
indymike wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the best and hardest things to do for anything with a board of directors is to establish that EVERY BOARD MEETING starts with a vote on one simple question: "Shall the CEO/Executive Director be retained?" Every company, not for profit or even tiny club that makes this the big question performs it's mission well. Those that don't, well, you get a lot more politics.

Imagine if, every quarter, a committee voted on whether you keep your job. Does this make you more or less willing to take risks? More or less focused? Does this decrease or increase the amount of attention you give to "optics" and politics?

This doesn't bother me in the least. A CEO's boss is the board of directors, period. Every board meeting is a review on the performance of the organization, and therefore the CEO. Most employees do not roll up to a committee, and their review is usually with a supervisor. The board meeting is no different.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by chaostheory »

bambax wrote: post #253

> Mobile browsing numbers are bleak: Firefox barely exists on phones, with a market share of less than half a percent. This is baffling given that mobile Firefox has a rare feature for a mobile browser: it's able to install extensions and so can block ads. This is true, and indeed very strange. I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. So Mozilla's problems aren't only technical, there's also a question of market aw…

One thing I don't understand is how Firefox doesn't have a VR browser in Windows, but it has one on Oculus.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by ric2b »

chaostheory wrote: post #927
mvdwoord wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, I have been a long time FF on Android user, mostly due to the ability to run add-ons (ublock etc). Latest update complete botched it. Couple of hnags/restarts every day, jittery UI, unintuitive button placement (e.g. new tab)... I want to use Firefox (or any decent browser not based on chrome), for several reasons, but this way it gets harder and harder to justify to myself. What alternatives do we have for non…

It still works fine on iOS, but that's probably because underneath every browser is Safari. People complain about Apple's draconian choices, but the end result is mostly good for consumers. If people don't like it, there's Android and Tizen.

I'm confused, how is that a good outcome, being limited to re-skinning Safari?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by fblp »

A great link to similar issues at Wikimedia is in this article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has...

I wonder what the boards of these non-profits are doing and who has the power to change the boards? Typically for-profits have shareholders and non-profits have members that can hold accountability - but im guessing both Wikimedia and Mozilla don't have this stakeholder accountability :(

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by freediver »

ric2b wrote: post #934
chaostheory wrote: post #927

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still works fine on iOS, but that's probably because underneath every browser is Safari. People complain about Apple's draconian choices, but the end result is mostly good for consumers. If people don't like it, there's Android and Tizen.

I'm confused, how is that a good outcome, being limited to re-skinning Safari?

If anything is being “reskinned” it is Webkit, the rendering engine, not Safari the browser. Webkit is by far superior choice on anything macOS/iOS related because of performance and energy use.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sciurus »

intherdfield wrote: post #775
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

This narrative ignores the fact that many of the executives have been replaced whether voluntarily or involuntarily.

This. Compare

Today: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/

One year ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20190923050403/https://www.mozil...

Two years ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20180923185143/https://www.mozil...

Specifically for criticism of the CEO, I wish people would keep in mind that Chris Beard was CEO from 2014 through 2019.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2019/08/29/thank-you-chris/

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/04/08/mitchell-baker-name...

(Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla)

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sergeykish »

pseudalopex wrote: post #898
sergeykish wrote: post #802

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I honestly do not understand. He said his personal opinions are not going to affect his decisions. And I'm sure he can believe in whatever he wants - in Christ, Flat Earth and Aliens if he wants. As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.

He also said preventing same sex couples from marrying wasn't discrimination. Why should someone trust him not to discriminate when he doesn't know what discrimination is?

A lot of people already voiced their concerns much better than I can [1]. But I'll try.

Because of law.

Uber CEO stepped down after a number of scandals.

I do not work at Mozilla. What I see is several people ask to leave another because who he is. And I do not see mirror action "please leave because who you are". This is discrimination. Law has not helped that person. He was honest not to lie about his believes. He left the company.

I do not know how honest current CEO is. I've heard at least some people left the company because of management actions. I know a lot were fired. I think people hacking source code, helping with bug tracking feel uneasy, I do.

[1] Mozilla employees tell Brendan Eich he needs to “step down” [2014] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7482017

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by dfdz »

0-O-0 wrote: post #465
bambax wrote: post #253

> Mobile browsing numbers are bleak: Firefox barely exists on phones, with a market share of less than half a percent. This is baffling given that mobile Firefox has a rare feature for a mobile browser: it's able to install extensions and so can block ads. This is true, and indeed very strange. I use FF on mobile and it works perfectly. So Mozilla's problems aren't only technical, there's also a question of market aw…

Only partly true - you can install adblocker for safari on iOS and block ads just fine.

I’m surprised that I had to scroll to the bottom of this thread to find a greyed our comment saying this...

Adblock with safari on iOS works great

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by ric2b »

lordgrenville wrote: post #341
ZephyrBlu wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your first article: "In 2019, she earned $1 million in base salary and a $1.2 million performance-based bonus." . So not 4x, but 2x based on base salary.

Good point. It is misleading to compare base pay rather than overall comp, though.

overall comp is heavily biased towards stock performance. Given AMD's exceptional performance in recent years it's natural to expect her overall comp to also be quite good.
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