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Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #81
tyingq wrote: post #15

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One cause for concern is that the CIA appears to not only have lost control of the documentation, but of the tools themselves: "Recently, the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal...and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection...gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA." So, now, you get to worry about anybody else that might have this toolset. (Not withstanding your…

>> So, now, you get to worry about anybody else that might have this toolset. You also have to consider who has the capability to actually use these tools - its not like they come with a user manual. Could Joe Schmo download these and start using them tomorrow? Probably not. Also, I'm pretty sure this isn't "the entire hacking capacity of the CIA". If you consider all the stuff that came out with the Snowden leaks, y…

These tools, whether from NSA or CIA, are made to be easy to use, and they come with detailed instructions and user guides.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

alpha_squared wrote: post #603
ismay wrote: post #576

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He very clearly explained his motives for not doing so in the AMA, and he gave an alternate POL by reading from the blockchain. This whole narrative of Wikileaks not being neutral is a very weird story, because they've never published anything that wasn't verified to be true. Since that's something they can't be attacked on, it seems that the strategy for discrediting Wikileaks has now become to accuse them of associ…

For the purpose of devil's advocate in this, I think it's possible to state truths and still be misleading and/or distracting from another narrative. Just because something is true doesn't necessarily explain what the motive is for releasing that information. It's certainly healthy to have at least a shadow of a doubt as to what WikiLeaks's motivations are when it's already shown that it can either restrain itself fr…

Yes, exactly: there is no inherent conflict or contradiction in pushing truth (and especially only parts of it, manipulating by omission or redaction) and having an agenda. There are many ways in which you can manipulate e.g. public perceptions and policy with publishing the "right" truths at the right time.

Though, I am not of the opinion that WikiLeaks has a hidden agenda or is controlled by a third party. But, neither would I be shocked to learn such a thing.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

Bogdanovich wrote: post #868
Florin_Andrei wrote: post #765

> the omission of emails pertaining to russia creates a narrative. Maybe Assange dislikes the taste of polonium in his tea, or something.

He hiding from the United States in Ecuadorian Embassy for many years. No surprise he is biased against US. Unites States pretends to be the country that does 'good' things, and blames all other countries that do 'bad' things. That's why Snowden is so painful, and Assange is so painful.

Every country celebrates itself and looks at any collaboration with foreign countries as just means to an end.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

giaour wrote: post #906
hollander wrote: post #900

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This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

We'll have to agree to disagree on which is the distraction: the finding of British and Swedish courts, which have held that there is probable cause in the rape charges, or Julian Assange's crazy conspiracy theories. I choose to believe the independent judiciaries of two sovereign nations.

Independent? You make me laugh. I don't think you realize the power the U.S. holds over countries like Sweden.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by pottersbasilisk »

hollander wrote: post #900
giaour wrote: post #871

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Assange is hiding from the government of the United Kingdom, which has agreed to extradite him to Sweden, where he faces trial for rape.

This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

After seeing what the alphabet organizations are capable off. I can't blame assange either.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

vacri wrote: post #923
hollander wrote: post #900

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This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

I used to support Assange, but that fell away when finally Sweden agreed to interview him at the embassy as per his request... and he demanded that the interview questions be submitted as a document... and in Spanish . A Swedish prosecutor interrogating an anglo-Australian man residing in England in Spanish ? With preprepared questions only? That's clearly obstructing the course of justice beyond the concern for his…

If you knew you were innocent, wouldn't you fight a bit dirty against a government who seemingly wants to try you for rape? And it's not like he does not have cause for concern to believe that there might be more behind these rape charges than what's out in the open.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by erikbye »

alehul wrote: post #761
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #753

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Allegedly WL did not release every email they had from the Syria leak. While every email released may be legitimate, the omission of emails pertaining to russia creates a narrative. Wikileaks may be telling the truth but it's far from clear whether they are telling the whole truth. And in between "truth" and "whole truth" there's a lot of room to shape the narrative

It's known that WL will often save some of the worst leaks as an 'insurance' against retaliation from the entity the leaks pertain to. It's likely there's aspects they're holding back from this leak as well, if they don't already hold enough over the U.S. gov.

They have already stated in black and white that they have held back a lot concerning this release; due to various concerns. They are completely open about that.

A lot of the stuff they keep to themselves can be used as collateral, like all the names they redact, operational details, etc, but I think they would quickly find themselves in an even more dangerous game than they are now, if they started to exploit these possibilities.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by pottersbasilisk »

mhneu wrote: post #870
rubyfan wrote: post #692

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This is the approach used by both left and right parties in the U.S. The parties and their surrogates attempt to taint sources as biased and by proxy all content from the source invalid.

No, this is not true. We now have data showing that the left tends to read both mainstream and left sources. While the right tends to live in their own little Fox-Breitbart bubble. This means that the right gets news from extremely biased sources with no anchor in reality. While the left tends to read and share a wider variety of media. http://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-st... It's also been sh…

I think this last election showed there is a coastal elite bubble and a clear cnn-msnbc bubble as well.

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by mirimir »

vacri wrote: post #923
hollander wrote: post #900

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an excellent example of telling the facts while distracting from the truth. He's afraid that he will be extradited to the US after being extradited to Sweden. The rape accusations are thought to be just a trick to get him to Sweden. If he had the guarantee that he would not be extradited he would go to Sweden immediately.

I used to support Assange, but that fell away when finally Sweden agreed to interview him at the embassy as per his request... and he demanded that the interview questions be submitted as a document... and in Spanish . A Swedish prosecutor interrogating an anglo-Australian man residing in England in Spanish ? With preprepared questions only? That's clearly obstructing the course of justice beyond the concern for his…

He's been stuck in the Ecuadorian embassy since June 2012. And he's probably rather annoyed about the whole mess by now.

Here's a seemingly comprehensive history: http://observer.com/2016/02/exclusive-new-docs-throw-doubt-o...

Re: CIA malware and hacking tools

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Post by losvedir »

dvcc wrote: post #5

Based on the overview alone (of course I can't read the entire report that fast!), this is exactly what I expect a spy agency would be doing -- if they were not then I would be disappointed. What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about? It makes no distinction between US citizens and overseas parties. If these actions are being done domestically against US citizens, with no just cause…

> What exactly in the admittedly shortened list am I supposed to be upset about?

This part concerns me:

> The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.

So, not so much the contents of the leak, but that it happened at all, and that Wikileaks is just one of many who have access. If the total cyber arsenal of the CIA were floating around on the web somehow, I'm glad that Wikileaks made that public. Could potentially see a big spike in viruses, and maybe make plans to avoid products with known exploits and stuff.

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