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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by gaur » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 9:28 PM UTC

greenrd wrote: post #879

gaur wrote: post #850

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> At the time Eich made that donation, every major Democratic presidential candidate (including Clinton and Obama) were ALSO publicly opposed to marriage equality. So it seemed like extreme mental gymnastics to put a "hate speech" label on Eich. No, the extreme mental gymnastics here involve thinking that hate speech can be defined by looking at the content of Clinton and Obama's campaign speeches. The ouster came si…

He was on the wrong side of history, but your last sentence was unnecessary and over-the-top. He wasn't hired as a CEO, he was promoted into it. Before he became CEO, his political donations would not necessarily have been a concern.

> your last sentence was unnecessary and over-the-top.

People started boycotting Mozilla after he was promoted. "Disaster" is an appropriate descriptor.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dang » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 10:19 PM UTC

cooper12 wrote: post #590

They targeted programmers. Programmers. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a successful build saying we did. We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the runtim…

Good grief. Please don't, and please, no more "shitposts" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11050922). We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11050478 and marked it off-topic.

(This on the other hand was great: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11050562)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by tatterdemalion » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 11:25 PM UTC

alphapapa wrote: post #926

tatterdemalion wrote: post #507

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The actual analogy would be: "We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about slavery , and NOT MENTION IT." Do you see why this would not be an effective way to eliminate slavery?

False. Yours is akin to saying, "Let's sweep slavery under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist." Mine is akin to saying, "We should no longer even consider enslaving people or treating people badly because their skin is a certain color." Yours would certainly be ineffective in eliminating slavery because it advocates pretending that it doesn't exist. Mine is standing up against slavery and saying that the underlying…

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by tatterdemalion » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 11:25 PM UTC

malandrew wrote: post #888

tatterdemalion wrote: post #507

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The actual analogy would be: "We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about slavery , and NOT MENTION IT." Do you see why this would not be an effective way to eliminate slavery?

This is a very strange mental exercise you're asking, but I'd like to explore it as a thought experiment for a moment if I may. Can you implement and maintain a market without mentioning/discussing that market? I don't see how any activity, economic or otherwise, can exist much less persist if you can't discuss it. How would one buy something if they don't understand what it is or its utility? Why would someone engag…

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by brodock » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 11:26 PM UTC

StevePerkins wrote: post #862

douche wrote: post #729

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What do you do with that many different projects? Genuinely curious.

I suspect that the "microservices" craze will soon have reach a "MongoDB moment". Where everyone has gotten burned from jumped in too quickly and blindly, and the pendulum swings back in the opposite direction. However, right now microservices are blowing up . The new greenfield project that I'm working on right now started out a year ago as a monolith with one repo. It now has microservice components scattered acros…

it's not just "microservices" crazyness, if you do devops, you will end-up with bazillion recipes repositories for each dependency, and will may not want to make all of them public.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by bmh_ca » Sun, Feb 07, 2016, 11:32 PM UTC

striking wrote: post #911

bmh_ca wrote: post #900

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> I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument. I find it telling that you think it is my argument. What I wrote is neither mine nor an argument. It is a description of a theory. > Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Not all discriminations are equal. To argue that all discrimination is discrimination is to give equivalence to police murdering for traffic violations and being denied the…

I didn't think that first quote was your argument, I just thought it was the dumbest thing you said. I think it's silly that you believe that past wrongs can be rectified and that future wrongs are definitely going to happen, and that that invalidates the argument you presented about discrimination against white people not existing. Theory or argument, that's pedantry. > Not all discriminations are equal. Never said…

As a matter of interest, the school of thought you are describing is the Deontologists. In "Capitalism and Freedom" Milton Friedman captured this as:

> [Antidiscrimination] legislation involves the acceptance of a principle that proponents would find abhorrent in almost every other application. If it is appropriate for the state to say that individuals may not discriminate in employment because of color or race or religion, then it is equally appropriate for the state, provided a majority can be found to vote that way, to say that individuals must discriminate in employment on the basis of color, race or religion. The Hitler Nuremberg laws and the law in the Southern states imposing special disabilities upon Negroes are both examples of laws similar in principle to [antidiscrimination legislation]

This is in contrast with a focus upon either consequence or virtues. Deontological theory falls down on some observed economic scenarios. For example, banker bonuses are generally deontological in nature, and as a result paid out quarterly regardless of performance; a consequentialist or "virtuist" might formulate banker bonuses on practical timelines or overall long-term results, in contrast.

In any case, what I thought was a reasonably balanced emperical study by John Donohue is worth reading [The Law and Economics of Antidiscrimination Law] " rel="nofollow">http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic... (it is the paper from which I drew Milton's quote).

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 12:41 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #881

13thLetter wrote: post #824

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So people are allowed to have unpopular opinions as long as they don't, you know, tell anyone else about them or anything? Sorry, but that's unacceptable.

So personally involved people aren't allowed to voice displeasure at those who have taken positive steps to harm them? Did you completely ignore the differentiation between thought and action that I just laid out?

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by 13thLetter » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 12:43 AM UTC

greenrd wrote: post #883

13thLetter wrote: post #824

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So people are allowed to have unpopular opinions as long as they don't, you know, tell anyone else about them or anything? Sorry, but that's unacceptable.

What would you propose we do - jail people who call for boycotts? Jail people who criticise corporations? I'll spell this out very simply: the same laws and social standards that make it OK for you to criticise them, make it OK for them to criticise Mozilla.

And they also make it OK for me to criticize the people who are criticizing Mozilla, and for those people to criticize me for criticizing the people who are criticizing Mozilla, and etc. So now that we've gotten that out of our system, we can realize that there's a difference between being criticized and losing one's job because of one's political opinions, and a society where the second thing happens is a society that has real problems.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by err4nt » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

grimman wrote: post #457

ceejayoz wrote: post #271

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> No really, just read reddit.com/r/tumblrinaction Before reading that subreddit, one should probably be aware of Poe's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

It's a deep, and scary, rabbit hole. If you're at all curious, it seems Sargon of Akkad and Thunderf00t on YouTube are not just slinging shit. I've watched some, and sources have always been included. Don't get me wrong, they clearly kick things up a notch in the drama department, but they do the ground work in sourcing articles for you.

My fiancée enjoys watching TLDR (teal deer) on youtube because he's the only youtuber speaking on these topics who literally only ever speaks facts. Theres not a thing he says that he doesn't back up for you.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Karunamon » Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 1:23 AM UTC

13thLetter wrote: post #938

greenrd wrote: post #883

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What would you propose we do - jail people who call for boycotts? Jail people who criticise corporations? I'll spell this out very simply: the same laws and social standards that make it OK for you to criticise them, make it OK for them to criticise Mozilla.

And they also make it OK for me to criticize the people who are criticizing Mozilla, and for those people to criticize me for criticizing the people who are criticizing Mozilla, and etc. So now that we've gotten that out of our system, we can realize that there's a difference between being criticized and losing one's job because of one's political opinions, and a society where the second thing happens is a society th…

Both Eich and Mozilla characterize his leaving as voluntary. Now whether that's the case is somewhat disputed, but there's no evidence to suggest any other conclusion.

And for the second or third time this thread, having an opinion and taking an action are two different things. Please address that rather than just repeating your original post.

Society has decided that denying people basic rights is what's "unacceptable" and chooses to punish those that act in that fashion. And it's not like there's any other explanation for the donation either... the group he donated to was a single purpose lobbying campaign.