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SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Post by digitaltrees »

stevenhuang wrote: post #805
shevy-java wrote: post #482

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Agreed - I'd consider this public pollution caused by extremely greedy billionaires ruining the planet. They could only amass money because they did not care about social responsibilities prior to do so; any contrary statement made by them to this is only lies, lies and more lies. Unfortunately you need a government that cares for the whole; in the USA oligarchs rule, so the general public are treated as paying slave…

Billionaires are not responsible for this, we the people are. Market forces and society chose this. You are emotionally disregulated and unable to think critically.

Your second sentence was unnecessary and unproductive and undermined your first point.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Post by digitaltrees »

inglor_cz wrote: post #607
shevy-java wrote: post #482

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Agreed - I'd consider this public pollution caused by extremely greedy billionaires ruining the planet. They could only amass money because they did not care about social responsibilities prior to do so; any contrary statement made by them to this is only lies, lies and more lies. Unfortunately you need a government that cares for the whole; in the USA oligarchs rule, so the general public are treated as paying slave…

"I'd consider this public pollution caused by extremely greedy billionaires ruining the planet." This is such a weird framing, as if Starlink was a frivolous project for some rich person's fun. There is genuine demand for orbital ISP from people, including people in poorer countries whom a better connectivity may help improve their incomes and lives, where an alternative is basically impossible (you won't get optic f…

But the government doesn’t have to allow a monopoly to exist. SpaceX wouldn’t exist without government contracts and support. The government should cultivate an ecosystem not a monopoly.

In my YC batch there were rocket companies. We should see more.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Post by digitaltrees »

moomoo11 wrote: post #396
digitaltrees wrote: post #379

I have started to see what I think are star link satellites at night on walks with my kids. It actually makes me sad to see that on person owns the night sky and is changing the literal stars my kids will grow up with. It feels different when it’s the government that theoretically represents people but when it’s one person that feels truly depressing.

buddy our ancestors didn’t even have light at night nor heat/ac. life for our kin will only be better. we will have space stations where you can visit and see all the stars you want. there will be space tourism and that will be pretty cool. that’s what i wanted as a kid and its cool to see it play out irl. edit: dang didn't expect so many negative people

That’s not how the curve of history has always bent. There were long periods of extreme inequality where most people were serfs and a few controlled the assets. That is the norm, the recent period of opportunity.

I have no problem with billionaires. Or trillionaires. I do have a problem with monopoly because it destroys the very ecosystem that creates the increased well being you describe.

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Post by digitaltrees »

moomoo11 wrote: post #899
pastel8739 wrote: post #474

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Why is that better? Because you read about it in a sci fi book?

and what did you read that makes you anti progress and imagination?

History. The general state of humanity is one where wealth and power concentrate.

I am disappointed that SV is shifting to a disregard for the dangers of monopolies and monarchies.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

digitaltrees wrote: post #895
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #753

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>what I think Did you actually check with a satellite tracker, maybe show your kids and inspire them with what humanity can accomplish?

You are missing the point. It’s not that I don’t find technological progress inspiring, it’s that it is an emerging monopoly that will capture a common good with no accountability and permanently deprive people of a precious opportunity.

The opportunity to see the night sky they couldn't see anyway?

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Post by digitaltrees »

moomoo11 wrote: post #486
Lomlioto wrote: post #479

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so what's the alternative? just don't make any progress?

Unmanaged progress risks permanent harm. There is a way for progress to balance the tradeoffs.

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Post by [deleted] »

Dig1t wrote: post #857
jneaty wrote: post #602

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I wonder what you mean by "moving humanity forward". Just technological advancements without other considerations? In my opinion it should at least require reducing human suffering, and if ao he has done more harm than good

There are millions of people in Africa and rural areas around the world who have access to the internet because of these satellites. This massively reduces human suffering. Millions of people can now get medical information, farming, manufacturing techniques, talk to experts around the world. Connecting people to the wealth of human knowledge has a huge impact on reducing suffering. It also just directly saves lives…

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Post by advael »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #697
advael wrote: post #558

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Can't speak to the world as a whole but the US has we spent 50 years gutting most government functions that aren't part of the police/military/surveillance apparatus (and many of those as well). SpaceX itself is an example of the primary mechanism of this: Diverting funding to private, no-bid contracts that remove both market forces and democratic oversight from those services while also ballooning their costs

Private no bid contracts? Disinformation on the Internet? Never seen it before. The contracts are not just publicly bid but paired. Come off this nonsense. Space is the sphere of government and the launchers and satellites have always been built by companies and SpaceX is very visibly cheaper.

Private here is meant to refer to the "private sector", as in using a company, not the existence of the contract being classified or something. I suppose SpaceX is publicly traded now, but that distinction also, in my opinion, is not the important one here. At any rate, if you think I'm wrong or mistaken, I'm happy to hear you out, but you're going to have to go into a little more detail if your intent is to convince me. Like I am not even sure what "paired" means in this context

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Post by stevenhuang »

digitaltrees wrote: post #921
stevenhuang wrote: post #805

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Billionaires are not responsible for this, we the people are. Market forces and society chose this. You are emotionally disregulated and unable to think critically.

Your second sentence was unnecessary and unproductive and undermined your first point.

I agree with you. I still stand by the statement because it was a neutral observation that should be stated.

Many people are too morally outraged to think straight anymore, as plainly demonstrated, but who can blame them. Hope they take it as a gentle nudge for them get out of the outrage cycle.

Re: SpaceX wants to launch 100k more Starlink satellites for 100x the bandwidth

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Post by digitaltrees »

prasadjoglekar wrote: post #618
digitaltrees wrote: post #379

I have started to see what I think are star link satellites at night on walks with my kids. It actually makes me sad to see that on person owns the night sky and is changing the literal stars my kids will grow up with. It feels different when it’s the government that theoretically represents people but when it’s one person that feels truly depressing.

Also, get off my lawn.

No. It’s more don’t buy all the lawns in the entire country and then dye the grass purple and then rent it back to me at 50% of my wages. Thats what happens in a monopoly.
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