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Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by castillar76 »

apatheticonion wrote: post #697
oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

My only hope, however unlikely, is that Apple will recognise that power users, engineers and gamers would really really appreciate running Linux on Macs and they write some drivers for it. There are literally no PC laptops with the quality or hardware offered by even the cheapest MacBook - the software, while fine for general consumers, creators, and some developer workloads, tragically holds back its potential somet…

I doubt we'll see it, but one thing I'd really like is for them to release cleaner drivers or specs for the hardware in Intel Macs. Now that they're committed to removing Intel support from the OS, it would be really nice not to consign all of that functional, high-performing hardware to the bin.

At the moment, I have a 2018 Mac Mini with a 12-core i7 and 64GB of RAM that is more limited in OS choice and hardware support than the 2012 Mac Mini sitting next to it, because the inner workings of the T2 chipset in particular and various other components have to be reverse-engineered bit by bit.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by vr46 »

hobofan wrote: post #661
71bw wrote: post #654

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>And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. Perhaps that is the case in the US, but in Poland, I haven't had a single app guide me into the literal bushes as many times as Apple Maps does. The straw that broke the camel's back was when, I shit you not, the navigation aspect literally expected me to drive through a lake.

This may just be my bubble, but even among my iPhone-owning friends, I haven't seen a single person use Apple Maps in Europe, so I wouldn't be surprised if the efforts to improve the map data have been more focused on the US.

I use Apple Maps all the time if I can, it's just better at being a navigator, but the search UX sucks giant salty balls

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by alsetmusic »

stasomatic wrote: post #859
alsetmusic wrote: post #161

For Apple nerds that pay close attention to company, this is no surprise. Third-party dev Marco Arment wrote a blog post speaking to Ternus earlier this month[0]. Marco has enough standing within our world that it's actually a clever idea to appeal to Ternus on these terms. He'll probably be aware that it was written and the appeal is somewhat generic in its call to reverse course on some Cook-era policies. We're all…

Marco should concentrate on fixing the UX abomination that Overcast has become instead of writing breathy sophomoric letters. At this point, I’ll vibe code my own podcast player.

I mean, whatever your opinion of his redesign of the app (I know a lot of people were pretty unhappy), he is a host on a podcast that has had Phil Schiller (former head of marketing who was on stage with Jobs for many years) as a guest while he was still an Apple exec. He's a known entity to them.

Further, one of the other hosts is John Siracusa, the guy who wrote in-depth 18 page reviews of MacOS X releases for ArsTechnica for many years. He got a shoutout from Apple's head of software, Craig Federighi, when I attended a live interview in 2019 during the week of their World Wide Developer's Conference (hosted by John Gruber of Daring Fireball). Siracusa must have been in the first few rows because Federighi said something like, "Oh, there's Siracusa." You could label that "fan service" because everyone in that theater knows who he's talking about and it's a form of acknowledging the crowd as a community.

So, all of this is to say that Marco is one of the small number of outsiders who could write such a letter on their blog and have upper ranks of Apple hear about it and maybe, maybe not, be curious enough to see what was said. I can't do that. I don't know if you can. But Marco can. I'm glad he took a shot. Whether it means anything, we'll never know.

And yes, the release of his redesign was premature, but I'm ok with the app as my daily podcast driver right now.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by LoveMortuus »

btown wrote: post #72
oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

Ternus recently gave an interview where he said this about the initial flop of Apple Maps: > “When we started out with maps, it was an ambitious undertaking. It was bumpy,” said Ternus. “But the team had just been over the years just pushing and pushing and pushing. And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing. If you have the vision and you're persistent and you keep working at it, you can take something you know that…

>And Apple Maps today is absolutely amazing.

That has not been my experience, I've got a Honda CB125F which uses Apple Maps for their on screen navigation.

I live in Lisbon and I wanted to Almada which is directly South from Lisbon. For reasons beyond me, Apple Maps kept telling me to go North and North and North, I tried restarting the navigation multiple times, but in the end I had to switch to Google Maps which did mean that I didn't have on screen navigation, only the audio ones, but at least it immediately told me to go South.

In my eyes, this is a critical failure.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by rdbl27 »

walthamstow wrote: post #907
rdbl27 wrote: post #899

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Cook has done more or less the opposite of what Jobs did. Jobs was all about bold innovation, hugely risky bets on gamechanging products. Cook is a timid logistics optimizer, and he's good at that. We reliably get an iPhone with slightly more RAM, slightly faster CPU on schedule every year. No category changing products. Innovation has stopped -- after Jobs, there is only minor incremental improvement

I don't own one, but the Apple Watch did very much change the category, defined it even. Vision Pro was a innovative bet, maybe not a great one. Apple Silicon completely changed the game.

The Apple Watch is a niche product for a few tech nerds (at least outside of Silicon Valley tech circles), not an ubiquitous feature of everyday life for normal people the way the PC, the iPod, and the iPhone are.

Vision Pro was a science experiment that few people have even heard of.

Apple Silicon is a perfect example of a purely internal-facing logistics optimization: sure, it's fine in terms of saving money and boosting performance. 99% of end users do not know or care whether they have Apple Silicon or Intel chips.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by YmiYugy »

oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

I don' really understand where people's enthusiasm for the hardware comes from (aside from the chips). They have corrected many of the functional compromises of the Ive era, but it seems otherwise unambitous. The recent Pro iPhones have a certain unflattering chunkiness. MacBooks have also grown to an uncomfortable weight and lost some of the elegance of prior design. They also suffer from an unnecessarily huge notch. On top of that there are a number of products whose usability concerns never got addressed. AirPods Max and Vision Pro are too heavy to wear for a long time and the ergonomic travesty of using and ridiculousness of charging the Magic Mouse remain unaddressed. Apple Watches got a tenth of the standby time of Garmin and other sport watches.

It's not that the hardware is horrible, but I think if it weren't for the ecosystem and chips most Apple products would seem quite unremarkable.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by MisterTea »

miki123211 wrote: post #848
schnebbau wrote: post #700

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Well, that certainly would be one way to wipe billions from their share price overnight. The only way Linux on Mac will become a reality is if it's legislated.

Apple went out of its way to make Linux on Mac a reality. They did a lot to allow third-party OSes when Apple Silicon came out, it's up to the Linux community to do the rest. There were a couple of people (the Asahi team) that made this work for M1, but as I understand it, the effort has stalled since. This just goes to show how few people truly care.

> This just goes to show how few people truly care.

Most people just want to sit down and eat a nice meal. They don't want to go through all the difficult back breaking work of farming, animal husbandry or fishing/hunting to eat.

That is how I look at people writing OS drivers and core components. It's boring back breaking work no one wants to think about. People pine for it, even romanticize about it. But the fact is that it's dirty annoying work and I have never heard anyone thanking the farmer for the meal they just ate. Yet we still have farmers. Few, yet they exist.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by mabedan »

troupo wrote: post #853
mabedan wrote: post #221

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He could have not wanted the job to begin with. CEO is no joke, and for him would mean to say goodbye to software forever.

I wish he would say good bye to software forever. Apple software is getting worse by the minute it seems.

Some design stuff are quite bad like the Liquid Glass, but the rest is fine I think. The M series wouldn't have gone as well as it did if software side wasn't up for the task
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