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Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

hey.paris

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Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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Other than Android, what viable Linux options exist for mobile devices?

What is your definition of viable in this context?

Can run the Android or iOS apps people need for banking, shopping, flights, payment, parking, etc

What we want is probably platform agnostic PWAs that will run on any device with a browser.

We will never have freedom as long as were forced to choose between Google and Apple walled gardens.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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>> I would love to feel sorry, but seems you're technically capable of preventing this (unlike most people), just chose "convenience." > Looks like you've got it coming, sweetie, you knew what you were dressing when going to the neighborhood :wink-emoji: God, I'm all for OSS and try to use it/promote it wherever I can, but it attracts the worst kind of smug, obnoxious motherf**ers imaginable. How old are you?

That's a bad-faith comparison, and it's making me wonder how old you are if you're conflating iCloud lockout with sexual assault. Apple's EULA, which the OP agreed to, gives them the right to suspend services for whatever reason they want. You're only allowed to use the service by offering consent to be removed, thousands of services work that way. OSS, and the fact that it doesn't have this weakness, is orthogonal t…

> That's a bad-faith comparison, and it's making me wonder how old you are if you're conflating iCloud lockout with sexual assault.

It's called exaggeration, and it was a reply to a smug comment.

If you want apples to apples: imagine you have a reputable locker service containing your money, important documents and potentially photos spanning decades. *Billions* use it with success, it's a trillion dollar company that you've worked with for years, millions swear by it. Suddenly, you arrive at the locker in front of you and it no longer opens anymore.

> Apple's EULA, which the OP agreed to, gives them the right to suspend services for whatever reason they want. You're only allowed to use the service by offering consent to be removed, thousands of services work that way.

And this is not normal, there should be regulation that if you build a platform then you're not entitled to content generated by users. If for some reason you lock out user, they should have a right to collect all their possessions.

> OSS, and the fact that it doesn't have this weakness, is orthogonal to the "us vs them" dichotomy you're describing. Apple ID is flawed, do not trust it. Full stop.

No wonder OSS is losing when this is a hill you're willing to die on. It's a shame there are not many quality product/design people within OSS community. People who actually understand how to make a product desirable and appeal to masses, instead of "loool what a fucking dumbass you are, I'm so smart for not using this thing that millions are using, told you you'll get burnt, git gud".

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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There should be a legal right to a clear explanation and a mechanism of appealing these decisions with an external organisation. I think it’s unreasonable to expect that they should be able to delete users this casually with everything that is tied to your devices. You could make it so costs for arbitration could be paid up front by the person appealing and then if the account deletion was deemed wrong the company re…

We have these systems - they are called courts. The subject is in Australia and so am I, I can file a case up to around $100k USD for $150 in filing fees. If Apple doesn't respond they will lose by default and possibly be held in contempt.

Are you sure this is available in the UK or US? I’m pretty sure all the legal agreements you sign when joining say the decisions of Amazon or YouTube or Facebook are final so are these Terms illegal?

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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The "gift card" in general is an anachronism whose time has passed. They have got to go. If companies are going to consider use of gift cards as red flags (as they often are, due to their being key components in money laundering and scams), then society should just abandon them. They are worse in every way than a prepaid credit cards, and in most cases where you want to give someone a gift card, you should probably j…

The only “use cases” I’ve seen are discount or niche. For example, Target and Bass Pro Shops/Cabelas in the US both offered some kind of 5 or 10 percent back/discount around Black Friday on gift cards. Niche would fall into, generally, some small enough business that these messes aren’t likely to happen, where the point of the gift is specifically later-consumption, like a local coffee place that you know someone lov…

There are people who don't own credit cards, and the app stores rarely offers any other "cash like" alternative other than gift cards.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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If you don't have root access to your machine, it's not your machine. If you don't have root access to the machine your data is on, it's not your data.

If you're a scientist at an institution, why would you need root on the cephs or whatever storage system?

In that case it's the institution's data, not the scientist's personal data.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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What's your proposed regulation?

I would support legislation that enforces a right to data export for 6 months in human readable file formats, or a physical equivalent like spending a USB stick in the mail.

Quoting the op:

> The Damage:

> I effectively have over $30,000 worth of previously-active “bricked" hardware. My iPhone, iPad, Watch, and Macs cannot sync, update, or function properly.

(I assume these can be re-sold? They do mention that they can't sign out)

> I have lost access to thousands of dollars in purchased software and media.

Should the "purchased" software and media be within the data export scope?

> I don’t have a 6TB device to sync them to, even if I could.

...yeah.

But let's say we limit ourselves to stored bits.

How should the service identify the person asking for data export? Does your regulation imply government id registration for all internet services? Is that what you actually want?

What if the service is e2ee? How do they deliver "human readable file formats"? Are we also banning e2ee?

What do compliance requirements imply for people's ability to start competing services?

You are proposing to replace a very tiny bit of personal responsibility (having backups) with a very intrusive, and highly consequential, legal mechanism.

EDIT: Though I would, of course, support a requirement for these services to properly warn users (on the registration page, not buried in TOS small print), and provide thorough instructions for making backups to external storage connected to any of the devices they support.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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My recommendation is to completely drop the Apple ecosystem, however painful it is. I do use an iPhone but I treat it as just a phone. If Apple locks me out I dgaf.

Comments like this remind me of my distant relatives who proudly live out in the countryside and avoid traveling to big cities for any reason. They see a lot of Fox News headlines about bad things happening in big cities and they've concluded those bad things are happening all the time. So they constantly congratulate themselves for not going to the nearest city, look down upon people who spend time in cities, warn u…

It's maddening.

Currently having to migrate to Win11 and thinking I spent 3k on new hardware just to be able to run some absolute clusterfuck of an OS.

I regret not spending it on overpriced Apple hardware, at least it runs all my Adobe crap which I'm 100% dependent on. But then I read joyous stuff like this.

Oh but you say, ""just"" run it on a VM in Linux, like all us rural folk, because big tech evil. Yeah thanks pointdexter, like I didn't know that. And oh look it's running like a complete slideshow on my 4k color calibrated monitor because now you apparently need two fucking GPUs. One for the host and one for the guest just to have hardware acceleration and CUDA video encoding. And I only have room for one GPU so I sell my current CPU and buy a CPU with iGPU. And now apparently I have to run these 10 ducktaped together shell scripts and there's like three guides to achieving a clean passthrough and they're all 50 pages and each is completely different and omg I have other shit to do please kill me already.

Death by mutually incompatible walled gardens, welcome to our fully automated high tech utopia.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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post #811

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Huh you got me with this analogy. On the other hand, can't this be said about any bad thing? Few bad things are always bad. A few examples: * My liberal relatives won't own guns because they keep hearing stories about how guns are deadly, even though I own guns and nobody's died yet * My friend's kid won't pet puppies because he heard they bite sometimes * My aunt in Moscow didn't want to vote for Putin because he's…

By using a service you also chose to support it. This is how one should make the choices. You are going to have false positives in fraud detection. You are going to have to investigate those or pay in reputation. Fail to fight fraud may also cost rep. When you run out of reputation people should take their business elsewhere. It's how we are suppose to keep people honest.

> By using a service you also chose to support it. > This is how one should make the choices.

Well yeah, but there're not the only choices. The full opportunity cost is finding and paying and learning alternatives when you have decades of vendor lock-in to overcome. Maybe "keeping people honest" is a bigger ask than you think while you're busy meeting all kinds of other requirements which take priority.

Re: Apple has locked my Apple ID, and I have no recourse. A plea for help

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An even better advice: Don't buy Apple.

In phones you have a choice of iOS (Apple) or Android (Google). Sure, maybe some people can go back to flip phones, but I can’t without finding a new job. This is the first I’ve heard of Apple locking someone out of their account for no reason. Google does it all the time. So, yeah, can’t leave Apple over this.

>> This is the first I’ve heard of Apple locking someone out of their account for no reason. Google does it all the time. So, yeah, can’t leave Apple over this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1cem2jo/apple_u...

but evaluate your risk as you want.

The thing is, you don't need to avoid buying Apple completely, you just need to avoid giving Apple all of your life: your photos, documents, emails, backups, passwords, bills, ... basically you should avoid doing what the person in the OP did.

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