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First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by hirvi74 »

tomhow wrote: post #815
hirvi74 wrote: post #411

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You cannot post inflammatory, escalatory comments like this on Hacker News, and we ban accounts that do it repeatedly. I'm not banning now as you've been a community member for a while and have posted some good comments, but please take care to read the guidelines and avoid posting like this in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?i…

I appreciate the clemency, and will change my ways.

Why are topics like this not considered Off-Topic by the guidelines?

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by dredmorbius »

dredmorbius wrote: post #916

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I've further narrowed down the breakage point to between these two items, at least when initially checked (both now fail).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42937148 (works)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42937147 (fails)

(Also via email.)

This suggests an item-count or time-based sliding window to me.

As I write this, earliest accessible content is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42937674> ... and that's just become inaccessible as I'm updating this comment.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

cvoss wrote: post #779
rocqua wrote: post #477

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My national news agency (the NOS) reported that this happened despite his nationality, not because of. According to their article, the dislike of most of the world against American happenings made him a less likely candidate.

The deliberations of the conclave are secret in perpetuity. It is not possible for your news agency to report on why this candidate was selected. Whatever they said is an outsider's guess.

I mean, if the person above is Italian, and live in Rome, they can probably get a much better quality of gossip than you or I.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by TheFreim »

lupusreal wrote: post #913
asdf6969 wrote: post #622

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Work on your self hatred and open your mind please. There’s nothing tacky about an American pope. What are you talking about?

I love America, but America is hardly a very Catholic nation and this seems like a clear cut case of political pandering besides. I'm not a catholic but when I think Catholic I think ancient gilded and extravagant. America is the land of hamburgers, pickup trucks and Protestant megachurches. The two don't fit. An Italian would make a better pope because the Roman Catholic Church is fundamentally Italian and it has be…

> America is hardly a very Catholic nation

Interesting Fact: There are about as many—if not more—Catholics in the United States (~45-72 million [0]) than there are people in Italy (~60 million [1]). American Catholic theologians, priests, and bishops have a larger impact than many seem to realize.

I'm generally sympathetic with the idea that it is ideal to have an Italian pope—I recall hearing that Pope Benedict XVI thought having a close connection to the diocese of Rome was important—but I also don't mind having popes from different parts of the world so as to better represent the catholicity (universality) of the Church.

I also think an American pope might have a fuller understanding of the global impact of American media and political power. I felt that Francis often did a poor job of navigating the media landscape—oftentimes being represented as saying things which he did not really say or intend, so perhaps an American pope will be better in that regard.

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0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy#Populati...

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by anon291 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #802
anon291 wrote: post #600

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There is no way in hell they'd revoke his American citizenship. American Catholics would be up in arms.

He might want to himself for tax purposes alone. I don't know how much the standard salary for a pope is, but I'm pretty sure it's above the threshold for the US "give us your foreign earned money" tax law.

there is no papal salary. As someone who's taken religious vows he's not supposed to be earning any income or holding on to it.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by tptacek »

mercutio2 wrote: post #834
tptacek wrote: post #506

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I'm not saying we own thin-crust Chicago pizza, just that deep dish was not a thing on the south side when he lived there (it wasn't in the 80s and 90s when I grew up there either).

I ate Edwardo’s several times a month on the south side in the 80’s and 90’s, as did a sizable number of my friends. This is back before it became a chain (I guess technically the south side location was the second location, so it was already a chain) and they decided to take the best pizza on earth and make it mediocre-to-poor for a mass audience, which I guess happened in the early aughts? So there is at least an e…

He's apparently an Aurelio's guy (that's cracker-crust, for those not from the neighborhood).

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Post by barbazoo »

watwut wrote: post #831
refurb wrote: post #771

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What other countries are rising? I mean China is an obvious one but seems to be struggling. Europe is in decline. India continues to struggle. If anything, the US has pulled even further ahead since 1990. Back then the USSR was a near-power to the US, but has fallen significantly since then. Since all power is relative, you’d need to see the US falling relative to another country. And right now, I don’t really see a…

China is gaining power as we speak. And USA is abdicating that power. Also, Russia seems to be a big winner currently, America will help them keep parts Ukraine and prepare for another invasion.

It’s certainly an amusing thread to read, the US has more power, no it has less, China is pulling ahead, actually it’s struggling, so is India, or not.

If only there were numbers we could compare.

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #802
anon291 wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way in hell they'd revoke his American citizenship. American Catholics would be up in arms.

He might want to himself for tax purposes alone. I don't know how much the standard salary for a pope is, but I'm pretty sure it's above the threshold for the US "give us your foreign earned money" tax law.

Honestly, the salary is almost certainly tiny, if it's anything like ecclesiastical salaries (popes, bishops etc).

Re: First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

madcaptenor wrote: post #910
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #811

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Nobody claims the pope. This is a weird take. We are not talking about some sport celebrity. It’s true that the man was born in the USA and was a bishop in Peru. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Peruvian catholics were happy to have a pope who lived their country.

The Peruvians definitely seem to be happy about it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/08/pope-leo-xiv-p... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewdl4e57v7o https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/for-us-pope-is-peruvi... and, unsurprisingly, the Peruvian-Americans: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/paterson-nj-new-pope-le...

> The Peruvians definitely seem to be happy about it

I don’t really see that from the articles you linked.

It’s all quotes about how the Pope is Peruvian (definitely true as he indeed has the Peruvian nationality) and how Peruvian people feel blessed in that.

Even your last article reinforces that he is a dual citizen with knowledge of both culture which obviously makes people joyful.

I have yet to see people argue if he is more American or more Peruvian apart from here.

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