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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by tim333 »

tim333 wrote: post #202
bradhe wrote: post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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Update - Grok did quite a good analysis on that. It estimates "a 75-85% likelihood Trump is a Putin-compromised asset" https://x.com/i/grok/share/WQepvCpIJl2EJ0F7tHNbLAhm6

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Post by arandomusername »

libertine wrote: post #913
arandomusername wrote: post #828

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There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van. Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-... A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more. It's a…

Those videos are amplified greatly by Russian propaganda bots, one thing to put them in check is to ask how many hundreds of thousands of young Russian men fled and climbed through walls once the mobilization was announced by the regime. I think it was 1.000.000+ men lmao Now that's trying to escape war. In every war there's people avoiding conscription, and Russians do it by orders or magnitude we probably haven't s…

Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay.

Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.

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Post by arandomusername »

libertine wrote: post #911
arandomusername wrote: post #816

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Russia controls large portions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson Oblasts. I imagine walking away with those areas would be a huge victory for them. How long can Ukraine drag this out? They are suffering manpower issues more than Russia. I don't think it's likely that Russia will lose its patience before Ukraine. I wish, but I don't see it. Their economy is somewhat dependent on their military-industrial…

It's hard to see that as a huge victory at the cost of more than 900.00p casualties for something Russia has plenty of - land. Also economic collapse (high inflation, high interest rates, and no industry). Ukraine just needs to continue to chip away at them, the bigger they are, the bigger the fall, and Russians aren't paying the price for this blunder yet.

Not all land is created equally.

Russia doesn't really value the lives of men.

Been waiting for that economic collapse for 3 years. How many more Ukrainian men must die before we get it? How many more are you okay with dying?

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Post by jordanb »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #115
jordanb wrote: post #40

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Yeah I think the whole thing was planned in Riyadh between Trump, Putin and MBS. Which makes one wonder what MBS's role is. My theory is that he will organize OPEC production cuts, designed to boost Russia's economy and crush Europe's.

OPEC just announced an increase. MBS wants to hurt US shale so when trump drills more they push the price down.

Well firstly this was "OPEC+" that includes Russia, the details are that SA isn't moving its quota up at all but Russia is "allowed" to pump more. Secondly, they're explicitly playing it as a gift to Trump, to drive down prices during his early days.

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Post by arandomusername »

skissane wrote: post #853
arandomusername wrote: post #816

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Russia controls large portions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson Oblasts. I imagine walking away with those areas would be a huge victory for them. How long can Ukraine drag this out? They are suffering manpower issues more than Russia. I don't think it's likely that Russia will lose its patience before Ukraine. I wish, but I don't see it. Their economy is somewhat dependent on their military-industrial…

I think the Ukrainian hope is the war eventually becomes so unpopular in Russia that it endangers Putin’s rule. Then political instability strikes Moscow - Putin is removed in a coup or assassinated - and faced with the chaos in Moscow, Russian battlefield morale collapses, frontline troops are withdrawn to Moscow to fight over who is Putin’s successor, etc - suddenly Ukrainian troops massively advance How plausible…

Prigozhin's "coup" was probably the closest thing to it. Unfortunately I do not share your optimism in here - Putin planted him self well and surrounded himself by loyal men.

Continuing to send men to die in a losing battle without an actual plan, hoping that the opponent's leadership falls, seems like an awful idea to me. It gives me similar vibes to "our scientists are on the verge of creating a wonder weapon" that is often propagated on losing sides, e.g Germany in WW2.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #852
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #840

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> so long as the US continues its "unwavering support" for Israel regardless of what it does (and this is firmly supported by both parties) Yeah, I think that will run out basically. They used to have support in Europe and many other countries as well and that has all but dried up at this point.

The problem in the US is 1) criticizing Israel is equated with anti-semitism ; 2) the highly politically active evangelicals believed Israel is the “promised land” for the Jews.

1 is only for Paleo boomers and crazy people. Normal people understand criticizing a county isn't anti-Seimitic just like criticizing Saudi isn't anti-Muslim.

2 those people are dying out as less and less people believe that religion and they have fewer kids than their forefathers

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Post by freejazz »

rayiner wrote: post #718
freejazz wrote: post #530

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I always wonder how is it that you are allowed to post so much in controversial political threads, yet your posts are usually significantly voted down. Does the rate limiting not apply to you? Also is anyone seriously suggested France or Germany would be next? Wouldn't it be more like Poland? And your perspective reeks of the weeks prior to the Ukraine invasion, where so many swore Russia would never do it, it was ju…

I voted for Biden, and while I was unhappy with the result for many reasons, I thought he did an okay job keeping us from getting more deeply involved in the Ukraine war. Many people seem to take it as axiomatic that the U.S. has an obligation to use force to maintain pre-existing borders. And we simply don’t agree with you about that. The standard for me is whether it’s going to significantly affect the daily life o…

How is that even a response to my post? At all? I didn't express any opinion if the US should use force... so I'm not sure what you could agree or disagree with about that.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #901
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #525

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It was considered enough of a big deal that there was a Treaty about it.

It was a "memorandum", which is actually not a binding treaty as far as I understand.

That's fair, I realised that later.

I think the general point still stands though. And if you read commentary from the time, it was a big deal.

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Post by justin66 »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #919
justin66 wrote: post #756

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> Because West has no means to put more pressure on Russia This is extremely silly. The west has hundreds of billions of dollars of Russian money, the west can supply Ukraine with weapons that are more modern than the nineties era stuff we've been sending, and the west just generally hasn't taken any of the steps it would take if NATO were really at war with Russia, as Russia whinges about. Why is Russia even connect…

Great, stealing money is soo European.

Without opining on the correctness of referring to this kind of confiscation from one state by another as stealing: it's an obvious mistake to treat taking money out of their bank accounts as a more serious offense than making war on them, literally taking their lives.

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Post by openasocket »

ImJamal wrote: post #869
ModernMech wrote: post #855

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Why does it have to be done? I haven't read the Constitution, but if what the other poster says is true about it saying that elections cannot be held during war, then isn't that the end of it?

The Ukrainian constitution does not allow elections during war, but that is not what I was responding to. The post I was replying to was asking how an election could be held during a war. I was just pointing out that it has been done in the 1800s, 1900s, and 2000s.

My question wasn't rhetorical, I wasn't doubting that it was possible. I am genuinely asking how OP believes these elections should be conducted. We've got over 3 million Ukrainians living under Russian occupation, I don't see a way to feasibly give them a vote. 6 million Ukrainians are refugees living in other countries. You could try some sort of remote voting for them, but there would be logistical difficulties. That might be possible for the national voting, but what about local election? Would they vote for candidates in their last known address? Or just not get a vote on that? 8 million are refugees living within Ukraine. Same question for them about local elections.

My point is that, ironically, insisting on elections now, DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS IMPLEMENTED, may actually not be the most democratic thing to do. So before I take can take a position on the matter, I would need to know the implementation details.

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