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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by mopsi »

anonfordays wrote: post #441
hulitu wrote: post #330

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> There is absolutely no requirement that the US has to get involved in every regional conflict in the world It is not a requirement, it's the implementation. There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman".

>There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman". And Europeans and leftist shit talked the US for it for decades. They called for the US to close military bases around the world, shit talked the amount the US spends on defense, etc. Now that the US is packing up and going home, the same people are screaming for the US to stay and continue being the exact thing they shit talked the US for. What a spec…

Haven't they been proven right? What was the point of decades of military spending on Europe, all those bases and other expenses, if in the end, the US simply lacked the willpower to use them as intended to stop a Russian invasion and simply gave in to Russian demands without getting anything in return? The US is losing its superpower status without firing a single shot.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #840
insane_dreamer wrote: post #463

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> Israel is going to continue to ostracize itself on the global stage Israel has been doing this for decades. It will never become a pariah like S.Africa was so long as the US continues its "unwavering support" for Israel regardless of what it does (and this is firmly supported by both parties). And then people say that the AIPAC lobby isn't real ... During the Cold War you could sort of claim that US' unwavering sup…

> so long as the US continues its "unwavering support" for Israel regardless of what it does (and this is firmly supported by both parties) Yeah, I think that will run out basically. They used to have support in Europe and many other countries as well and that has all but dried up at this point.

The problem in the US is 1) criticizing Israel is equated with anti-semitism ; 2) the highly politically active evangelicals believed Israel is the “promised land” for the Jews.

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Post by skissane »

arandomusername wrote: post #816
skissane wrote: post #794

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> And how are you going to do that? Russia has been gaining land. Currently, Russia is winning. Winning, but winning very slowly. Unless Ukraine collapses, Russian victory is likely years away (depending of course on what Russia decides to consider “victory”) Although Ukraine is outnumbered, the fact they are mostly playing defence not offence gives them an advantage If Ukraine drags this out for long enough, there i…

Russia controls large portions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson Oblasts. I imagine walking away with those areas would be a huge victory for them. How long can Ukraine drag this out? They are suffering manpower issues more than Russia. I don't think it's likely that Russia will lose its patience before Ukraine. I wish, but I don't see it. Their economy is somewhat dependent on their military-industrial…

I think the Ukrainian hope is the war eventually becomes so unpopular in Russia that it endangers Putin’s rule. Then political instability strikes Moscow - Putin is removed in a coup or assassinated - and faced with the chaos in Moscow, Russian battlefield morale collapses, frontline troops are withdrawn to Moscow to fight over who is Putin’s successor, etc - suddenly Ukrainian troops massively advance

How plausible is that scenario? I don’t know. It isn’t impossible. More likely to happen in a few years time (assuming the war lasts that long). Probably not happening this year, but one never knows - who predicted Prigozhin‘s abortive coup in June 2023? Who knows if or when such an event might happen again - maybe next time more successfully?

Trump’s recent moves arguably reduce the odds of such a development by increasing Russian perceptions that the war is likely to be resolved on terms they’ll find favourable. However, Trump is fickle, and it isn’t impossible that with time he’ll move to a position the Russians will find less encouraging (it isn’t guaranteed, of course)

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Post by ModernMech »

ImJamal wrote: post #533
openasocket wrote: post #400

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How do you intend to conduct an election during an active war when 20% of the country, over 3 million Ukrainians, are under Russian occupation? Do they just not get to vote?

Plenty of countries have held elections during war, including war in their country. The US (civil war), Iraq and Afghanistan during the US occupation, Japan (WW2), etc. I know it can be a challenge, but it has been done.

Why does it have to be done? I haven't read the Constitution, but if what the other poster says is true about it saying that elections cannot be held during war, then isn't that the end of it?

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Post by ModernMech »

egberts1 wrote: post #602
myvoiceismypass wrote: post #414

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> But curious, is Zelensky using the pretense of war to stay in power? See this from just a week ago: "Zelenskyy offers to resign in exchange for peace, NATO entry" https://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offer-re...

It is a challenge to conduct an election during war. Never forget: 1) Zelensky sat quietly while Democrats tried to impeach Trump the first time. Zelensky alone could have put an end to that sham impeachment. 2) Zelensky actively campaign against Donald Trump for the Democrats. 3) One of Zelinsky’s radicalized zealots tried to kill Donald Trump. Then Zelensky reneges on the mineral deal because it doesn’t continue th…

> 1) Zelensky sat quietly while Democrats tried to impeach Trump the first time. Zelensky alone could have put an end to that sham impeachment.

Trump didn't deny the conduct, and it was proven during impeachment. His defense wasn't that he didn't do it, it was that he had the right to do it. Zelensky couldn't have cleared anything up because the facts were not under dispute.

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Post by swat535 »

History has a way of repeating itself.

Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who feels like world peace has been unraveling for decades, slowly reaching a breaking point?

I don't know what happens when the U.S. eventually pulls out of NATO, a scenario that seems more possible than ever based on the actions of the current Administration. Will Europe be able to stand its ground against Russia and China?

We now have world leaders armed with nuclear weapons, the most terrifying creations in human history, openly threatening each other and growing hostile.

I honestly, worry about the world we are creating for our children.. or perhaps my thoughts have been overtly influenced by Social Media..

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Post by unethical_ban »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #808
bryant wrote: post #376

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Excellent bait. You ignore the points brought up in the parent post. You ignore other peoples' direct questions (like mine about what specific actions you you'd take regarding Ukraine and how you think those actions will play out over the next decade). You actually haven't made an iota of a point, but you're so confident that you have that it distracts from real conversation.

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Post by giardini »

swat535 wrote: post #858

History has a way of repeating itself. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who feels like world peace has been unraveling for decades, slowly reaching a breaking point? I don't know what happens when the U.S. eventually pulls out of NATO, a scenario that seems more possible than ever based on the actions of the current Administration. Will Europe be able to stand its ground against Russia and China? We now have w…

NATO was created to counter the Soviet Union but after the USSR fell apart, NATO did not disband. Instead Europeans hired the USA for their defense. The USA enjoyed the status and power of being the dominant military force in Europe.

Unfortunately "entangling alliances" such as NATO tend to draw us into remote conflicts where we have nothing to gain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Doctrine_of_Unstabl...

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