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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by rixed » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 7:20 AM UTC

tsunamifury wrote: post #738

a-priori wrote: post #295

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I was a resident of downtown Ottawa during this period. It was bad. We had a young kid and didn't feel even safe walking her to a park, because the route crossed over convoy lines and there were all sorts of stories of harassment and assaults. We didn't even experience the worst of it; lots of people dealt with truck horns blaring 24/7, but at least our street at least was kept clear as an emergency route. We put up…

Its interesting how as of late the working-class's totally self-sabatoging ways of protesting almost universally piss off their fellow men and women, rather than taking their grievances to the powers that support them.

Aren't that the only forms of protest that are allowed?

If I remember properly, offering the service for free (for instance in public transport) bear the risk of being held personally responsible of any damage or accident that would happen to anyone (which is not unlikely if you factor in provocations)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ternnoburn » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 7:34 AM UTC

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #323

One of my big issues with J.T. is his massive waste of money on gun control. The vast majority of guns used in crimes in Canada are illegal guns from the US, with most being hand guns. The Liberals under J.T. has proposed a ban on assault style weapons (not assault weapons, mind you which are already banned) that so far has cost over $70M without guns being collected. The estimate cost is over $800M to collect them.…

This is one area leftists and right wingers can agree on -- gun control doesn't work, it punishes minority communities, it targets the wrong things, and it's written in ways that aren't backed by data.

Leftists want to be armed for community defense (and because Marx and other leftist writers wrote about the importance of being armed).

That said, if I show up at the range with a pride flag on my rifle people lose their shit about it, so I guess we have a ways to go before we've got left-right solidarity there.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ternnoburn » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 7:39 AM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #497

I-M-S wrote: post #433

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I moved from a PR country to a FPTP one (Canada) and my experience is exactly the opposite - as a left-leaning individual in a conservative ward, there's no way for my vote to ever count. But yeah, now my interests are directly ignored by a dude with a newsletter, an email address, and an office.

The idea is that you would now engage with your dude and your fellow citizens in that conservative riding and be a moderating influence. You are all in the same boat in a sense that’s more local and less abstract than with proportional rep.

Why would they engage with you? If they are safe, there's zero need for them to give you the time of day. How do you propose moderating someone who can tell you to fuck off with impunity?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by pluc » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 7:55 AM UTC

joshdavham wrote: post #322

pluc wrote: post #19

Here come the conservatives, again. Canada might not be a two-party system, but you'd never guess looking at the last hundred years.

> Canada might not be a two-party system I prefer the term: two-party state

Let's not refer to Canada as a state for the next 4 years

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by maeil » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:02 AM UTC

adverbly wrote: post #408

maeil wrote: post #90

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Can you name a similarly wealthy country that is actually better today than it was on the date he started as a PM? I can't. Seems like something else has been going on. Potentially you could name Ireland, by becoming a tax haven, screwing over everyone else instead.

Since 2015? Easy: Norway, Poland, Greece, Netherlands, Ireland, Singapore, USA probably. But I do anecdotally agree with your point as a whole: it feels like there has been a slowing or potentially reversal of progress. Perhaps to be expected given the pandemic though.

Easy? You've lived in each of those places for more than a year around 2015 and around now? Physically impossible.

My second homebase is in one of the countries you named. I can tell you that not even 10% of the population would agree with you. Across the political spectrum. No idea that you're basing it on. Crumbling infrastructure, housing worse than Canada, ever increasing problems with immigration.

The US I could potentially agree with, it is the outlier, though debatable.

Ireland I talked about.

Norway is laughable to bring up, sorry. Might as well bring up Saudi Arabia.

If you'd been to Poland and Greece you'd know they're nowhere near "similarly wealthy" countries wrt Canada, entirely different tier. This reveals you haven't really spent time there.

Singapore is a city-state. I'm sure we can find a city in Canada that's doing better. And from what I know, Singaporeans too are majority unhappy with their country compared to 2015, so not sure what you're basing it on.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mike_hearn » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:08 AM UTC

cempaka wrote: post #506

mike_hearn wrote: post #481

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I think my favorite trick here was categorizing people less than four weeks out from their second dose, or anyone who didn't get a second dose (likely as a result of a nasty reaction to the first shot, itself a good indicator of high susceptibility to COVID spike pathology), or anyone whose vaccine status was "unknown," as "unvaccinated."

Yep. One of many such statistical tricks. And as you can see from this thread, it works a treat...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by maeil » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:09 AM UTC

mlekoszek wrote: post #149

laidoffamazon wrote: post #106

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America is, especially since 2021 but nobody wants to believe it.

Not sure why the parent comment is being downvoted. By most sources, the States has been the exception and not the rule post-pandemic. * https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/why-... * https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-recovery-from-covi...

Because even HN, by nature, is still an incredibly US-centric place. And has historically been a very capital-focused place where the stock market and GDP are taken as the only serious indicators by which to measure whether a country is doing well. Both of these points have very slowly been changing here, but the downvotes show it's still largely the same.

I spend my time between East-Asia and Europe, with one foot firmly in each of them, giving me a different perspective showing that Canada is the norm, not the outlier, which would be the US if there were to be one.

I still didn't expect it though, I thought here people would realize authoritarians aren't being voted in everywhere because the populace think things have been improving.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mike_hearn » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:12 AM UTC

pachorizons wrote: post #488

mike_hearn wrote: post #481

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If you read all the papers then why is this not sourced?

I did source it, I just didn't provide links this time. Go dig out the old UK or danish reports or discussions of them from the time.

No links this time because I've posted on this topic dozens of times in the past over the years and was away from my bookmarks list at the time anyway. It didn't stop people flagging posts. They just pick fights with the sources or start making arguments long since resolved. There are whole websites devoted to explaining various aspects of what happened, look for Prof Norman Fenton's blog for an example if you want to get started.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 946789987649 » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 8:53 AM UTC

dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

You could argue similar for US/UK, but I would still rather live in the UK.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ckdarby » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 9:34 AM UTC

rubatuga wrote: post #915

graeme wrote: post #554

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iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation. The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this" I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met…

You could also drive around the bridge ...

Why does everyone have to suffer at the hands of a few?

Overwhelmingly Canadian's wanted the vehicles removed - I recall no public empathy. If not, there would have been overwhelming public outcry and a follow up larger movement protest that would have called for no-confidence motion in that moment.