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Mysterious New Jersey drone sightings prompt call for 'state of emergency'

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Post by willy_k »

heavyset_go wrote: post #829
jerf wrote: post #649

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The military theory doesn't fit to me on the grounds that at this point they should be just admitting it. They're calling more attention to the drones than they would if they would just say "yup, those are ours". You don't hide things by parading them around in front of people. They've got all sorts of places to secretly fly things and all the permits they need to create whatever RF environment they want in the proce…

> The military theory doesn't fit to me on the grounds that at this point they should be just admitting it. They aren't going to confirm or deny any classified programs that they probably spent billions of dollars on just because the public is spooked. See also: Mirage Men (2013). The government spent countless hours and millions of dollars to convince one man who saw classified aircraft that what he saw was actually…

Or the government spent countless hours and millions of dollars trying to convince the public that one man saw a classified aircraft and not actual aliens. /s

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

euroderf wrote: post #778
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #611

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This could be scoped very tightly to reasonableness with an emergency warrant, plenty of probable cause. Can you elucidate what you meant?

Are you suggesting that these drones have warrants for every piece of property they overfly ?

A general response to your general statement.

Which is why I asked

> Can you elucidate what you meant?

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Post by foxglacier »

keepamovin wrote: post #876
foxglacier wrote: post #562

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It contains speculation about their height and speed. You usually can't estimate those things for a UFO because near, low, and slow looks the same as far, high and fast when you have no idea how big it is or how it "should" behave.

Man you're a killjoy, but you can't really say they can't estimate it as you don't know the specifics of what they saw, so there's speculation on your part too. I'd say you get a rough estimate, but you can't know for sure especially at night. Although in this case if the person thinks it was low, and slow, that's less remarkable than if it was high and fast, because then it would be giant. Overall, I'd say we're "co…

Yea, maybe he had other information that helped. I'm just sensitive to reports of UFOs that include estimates of those derived quantities because people reporting them never say how they worked them out or what assumptions they were making. They could have reported the more directly observed quantities like angular speed instead of linear speed.

I know someone who saw an alien spacecraft landing on a distant mountain. Turned out to be Venus :P

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Post by euroderf »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #922
euroderf wrote: post #778

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Are you suggesting that these drones have warrants for every piece of property they overfly ?

A general response to your general statement. Which is why I asked > Can you elucidate what you meant?

I don't have a shotgun, might I might consider getting one if drones have been flying low over my property.

For various locally-defined values of "low".

I expect a police drone to be visually distinguished.

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Post by kortilla »

itsanaccount wrote: post #908
fmobus wrote: post #899

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Human intelligence should be enough to understand what parallax is and how gimbals and IR sensors work. All those published videos were no less than a psyop to demonstrate weapons system's capabilities - with the implicit brag that there's even more powerful stuff they're not showing.

you're intentionally leaving out the eye witness testimony that accompanied those videos. and promoting conspiracy theories. which is fine, I'm just telling you what US military officers testified to congress about under oath.

Military officers are not immune to believing crazy shit. The eye witness testimony amounts to “I don’t understand what I saw”, not “aliens”.

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Post by CaptainSamJohn »

yencabulator wrote: post #887
Izkata wrote: post #881

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> claimed to be a stable building material. Element 115 wasn't a building material, it was supposed to exhibit antigravity properties under the right circumstances and was part how UFOs flew in such abnormal patterns.

Can't search the images but one of the quotes is > We enter the first order of business is checking for E115 then leaving the ship together to send it away. Once again, E115 decays fully (multiple half-lifes, very little left) in mere seconds and is very radioactive.

> Once again, E115 decays fully (multiple half-lifes, very little left) in mere seconds and is very radioactive.

That said, this only applies to the isotopes we've been able to synthesize so far. It’s not the definitive answer for all possible isotopes. Nuclear physics theories, particularly around the "island of stability," suggest there could be heavier isotopes of Element 115 with more favorable neutron-to-proton ratios. These isotopes might have significantly longer half-lives—potentially lasting seconds, minutes, or even days or weeks.

We simply haven’t discovered these isotopes yet. With better technology and experiments in the future, there’s a chance we might find longer-lived variants of Element 115, but for now, we can only speculate.

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Post by ANewFormation »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #919
ANewFormation wrote: post #918

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Check any radiation map to see what's probably happening. Parts of New York, in the vicinity of the sightings, are showing extremely high radiation levels. Its probably just drones searching for the source with the secrecy aimed at trying to avoid a mass panic.

Can you link a map?

A web search will turn up a bunch. Here's one - https://www.gmcmap.com

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Post by obmelvin »

ANewFormation wrote: post #912
obmelvin wrote: post #850

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1) there was a very public delay to shoot down anything even remotely above people. They just aren’t going to shoot something down over a city From the WSJ article I mentioned: “ Federal law prohibits the military from shooting down drones near military bases in the U.S. unless they pose an imminent threat. Aerial snooping doesn’t qualify, though some lawmakers hope to give the military greater leeway” 2) as you prob…

Just think rationally - in one case you had completely harmless weather balloons, and the government completely freaked out, scrambled fighters and even recklessly launched missiles at them. Here you have supposedly car sized drones operating, in large numvers, in high risk areas and the government response is nonexistent. Nearby flights have not even been diverted as they do when there's the slightest security risk…

I haven't made any claims about the recent sightings. Some have clearly been planes and people are just looking up more.

My original point was and is that there are many laws restricting what the military is able to do domestically.

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Post by ANewFormation »

obmelvin wrote: post #928
ANewFormation wrote: post #912

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Just think rationally - in one case you had completely harmless weather balloons, and the government completely freaked out, scrambled fighters and even recklessly launched missiles at them. Here you have supposedly car sized drones operating, in large numvers, in high risk areas and the government response is nonexistent. Nearby flights have not even been diverted as they do when there's the slightest security risk…

I haven't made any claims about the recent sightings. Some have clearly been planes and people are just looking up more. My original point was and is that there are many laws restricting what the military is able to do domestically.

I do challenge you to show me the law stating that the military cannot engage unidentified and non-responsive potentially hostile vessels breaching controlled airspace, let alone with full authority from the CIC. That's just about the dumbest talking point ever.

Though even if such law exists, which it doesn't, then like any law in modern times, or even increasingly the Constitution, if the political establishment deemed it inconvenient then they would simply ignore it, and make up some lies.

And on that note, they are now acknowledging that they are indeed drones. The 'its just airplanes' lie lasted about 5 minutes. These people seriously hold the public in contempt.

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Post by DirkH »

philistine wrote: post #761
j_timberlake wrote: post #731

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"They didn't say they don't know whose they are." The FBI explicitly said they didn't 2 days ago. There's a possibility the FBI is being purposefully left in the dark by other feds, or lying under oath at risk of prison time for perjury, but without any evidence that's just one more of MANY conspiracy theories here.

In the three-letter agency soup, it's very possible another agency called them and said: you guys don't know who these are, and you will never know. But we know.

Wow, we are getting Cyberpunk lore in real-life? The CIA, FBI, NSA, and DEA all conspired to overthrow the US government in Cyberpunk lore - though not as a united front and they also fought with each other iirc
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