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'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Post by Garvi »

skilled wrote: post #207
Garvi wrote: post #160

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That is not the case at all. See this comment from dang: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024 There are more comments like this from him, you can find them using Algolia. HN is not acting in bad faith whatsoever. This story in particular “qualifies” for what would be interesting to HN readers while taking into account the sensitivity of the subject. I fully expect the discussion to be allowed and the flag li…

People believing admins when they claim moderation and censorship is out of their hands and the result of a faulty system they have no control over, has to take the cake for this years distortion of reality.

Fact is very specific topics are routinely being suppressed systematically.

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Post by throwaway6734 »

boppo1 wrote: post #919
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #911

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The dramatic difference on the gaza numbers tilts this conflict out of 'war' into 'ethnic cleansing'.

the dramatic difference compared to what?

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Post by rldjbpin »

from what i understand, there appears to be little to no oversight on how these models are trained and evaluated.

if the markers, a la features, discussed in the article are anything to go with, it is a very disturbing method of classifying a target. if human evaluators use the same approach to target bombings, then there is no supporting how this war is being fought.

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #911
surfingdino wrote: post #305

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It always starts with making a list of targets that meet given criteria. Once you have the list its use changes from categorisation to demonisation -> surveillance -> denial of rights -> deportations -> killing. Early use of computers by Germans during WW2 included making and processing of lists of people who ought to be sent to concentration camps. The only difference today is that we are able to capture more data a…

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Just to make it clear: the firebombing of German cities full of civilians, and the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, were gravely immoral. It doesn't matter if it had shortened the war or not (which is dubious anyhow). This is true even though the German state itself targeted civilians at a massive scale, and systematically destroyed entire cities along with its populace (most famously Warsaw). I'm going to assume that this is perfectly obvious to anyone with sufficient moral clarity (which rules out utilitarians).

Re: 'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

surume wrote: post #916
GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #881

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Do the IDF analysts who are being interviewed also despise Israel and the Jewish people?

Yes. We have very anti-Israel intelligence officers who are politically placed on the far left. Just because you're Israeli doesnt mean that you're pro Israel. Same for the IDF (which Im a soldier in). Just by speaking to a heavily biased paper like 972 they show their own bias against the country. I serve with several soldiers who are more supportive of the Palestinians than their own country.

Interesting. I would imagine it's counter productive to have conscription of left leaning Israelis who don't support the war in Gaza, no? Why would these people have such important jobs within the military if they are so anti-Israel?

Also, The Guardian corroborated +972's reporting on this matter recently: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai...

And, while I have you I had a few questions, if you don't mind:

1. What drove the IDF's intelligence failure on Hamas activity before Oct 7?

2. With or without intelligence, why was the IDF unable to defend such an important security zone? One that I'd argue is world class, in terms of technology, troops, and arms.

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Post by darkerside »

batch12 wrote: post #761
darkerside wrote: post #751

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I'm having to take a few deep breaths before responding to some of these comments. The difference is Accountability. A computer can't be held accountable and a person can. Full stop. It makes all the difference.

The person operating the computer or building the AI could be held accountable though.

Yes, and that's not happening right now, and it's a Big Fucking Problem. I am pretty sure this will someday be a prime case study in AI ethics courses. A Waco type of "how could this happen" moment.

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Post by zild3d »

NomDePlum wrote: post #799
skinkestek wrote: post #543

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In Norway it is rather the other way: We all know (if we stop and think) that a person can be both a teacher and a terrorist. But according to media here almost every victim except top Hamas brass seems to be referred to by their whatever else they were besides terrorists and the terrorists (or even just soldier) part get hushed down.

Can you site an example of this please? It's contradictory to my understanding of what is happening. By that, I mean, when the few remaining police left in Northern Gaza, who had reported to be critical to providing security for aid deliveries (and involved in coordination with Israel) where assassinated recently by Israel, and claimed as high ranking Hamas targets it pretty much cemented my opinion that nothing is t…

> As other than the horrific events of October 7th, and the hostages from that day, the only visible acts of violence and terror associated with Palestine appear to be towards anyone Palestinian

That's a wildly inaccurate statement. There has been continual rockets fired into Israel, as well fairly regular incidents of stabbings, shootings, etc.

https://www.tzevaadom.co.il/en/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/three-seriously-wounded-in-ter...

Not intending to make any justification or moral comparison in either direction, but it is objectively untrue that violence/terror has only been in one direction post Oct 7th

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