'Lavender': The AI machine directing Israel's bombing in Gaza

Post by MagicMoonlight » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 10:31 AM UTC

surfingdino wrote: post #305

Quanttek wrote: post #108

Years ago, scholars (such as Didier Bigo) have already raised concerns about the targeting of individuals merely based on (indirect) association with a "terrorist" or "criminal". Originally used in the context of surveillance (see Snowden revelations), such systems would target anyone who would be e.g. less than 3-steps away from an identified individual, thereby removing any sense of due process or targeted surveill…

It always starts with making a list of targets that meet given criteria. Once you have the list its use changes from categorisation to demonisation -> surveillance -> denial of rights -> deportations -> killing. Early use of computers by Germans during WW2 included making and processing of lists of people who ought to be sent to concentration camps. The only difference today is that we are able to capture more data a…

Post by falleng0d » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 10:34 AM UTC

NomDePlum wrote: post #838

thisiszilff wrote: post #797

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Depends on what "AI" means here. There is a spectrum of "we have a bunch of data in a database and some folks hand tuning queries" to "we built a deep learning network to predict XYZ." In the middle of that spectrum lie things like decision trees which provide explainable results.

It's the former, but from what I read in the article, a shady version of that is my take. The computer basically appeared to randomise a high number of people to kill based on a very shallow dataset, weak data linking and a high desire to kill people who are Palestinian. It's hard to read the details from the Guardian article and think of it as anything other than a randomised Israeli state murder machine. I can't en…

Post by TrackerFF » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 10:40 AM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #529

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #182

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> It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. Okay, how is this not a war crime? There are ~2M civilians who live in Gaza, and many of them don't have access to food, water, medicine, or safe shelter. Some of those unfortunates live above, or below, Hamas operatives and their families. "Oh, sorry, lol." "It was unintentional, lmao, seriously." "Our doctrine states that we can kill X civilians for every hostile operativ…

The war in Gaza is unlike Ukraine because Hamas does not issue uniforms or clearly demarcate military targets. When the US was in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda learned that the US (generally) won't shoot ambulances. So what became the most valuable vehicle to Al Qaeda? Hamas took notes, but Israel doesn't seem to care as much as the US. Also, besides all that, once something is used for military operations, it is fair game a…

Post by surume » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 10:43 AM UTC

Argonaut998 wrote: post #897

surume wrote: post #880

+972 magazine is EXTREMELY anti-Israel and anti-semitic, so this article is written through the lens of despising Israel and Jews. Here are some of their other article titles, which you can find on their home page: 1. Hebrew University’s Faculty of Repressive Science 2. The spiraling absurdity of Germany’s pro-Israel fanaticism 3. The first step toward disintegrating Israel’s settler machine As such, their view is no…

None of those articles are anti-Semitic.

Post by boppo1 » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 10:51 AM UTC

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #911

surfingdino wrote: post #305

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It always starts with making a list of targets that meet given criteria. Once you have the list its use changes from categorisation to demonisation -> surveillance -> denial of rights -> deportations -> killing. Early use of computers by Germans during WW2 included making and processing of lists of people who ought to be sent to concentration camps. The only difference today is that we are able to capture more data a…

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