Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.
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Fox News was created to have enough control over media to prevent a Nixon-like event ever happening to the GOP again. https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-ne...
That line summarizing the article you linked isn't inaccurate but left out some big chunks of logic. Just to clarify the article outlines that Fox News was created to prevent something like what Nixon did ever having a disastrous effect on the party - rather than preventing what Nixon did.
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I noticed this last night. I mostly watch local news, but I put on CNN during the voting last night, and while the BBC was sorta talking over the voting going on in the background, CNN gave up on it entirely and it was just 5 people spouting outrage. Even when it's outrage I agree with, it angers me.
And indeed who voted and who spoke and how they spoke was far more consequential to our country than hot air from 5 random commentators. I was watching PBS NewsHour and saw people like Representative Cawthorn give very calculated speeches that were very disturbing if you read between the lines.
Down the line, I can read other people's thoughtful analysis of what people said and how people voted and evaluate it in the context of having seen it live, rather than from having heard Michael Barbaro's quick-cut package in the morning.
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it's not that Fox News became "moderate" , they became just another left-wing propaganda hub like CNN and WaPo , except for very few commentators like Tucker and Ingraham. Their elections coverage was a disaster as well. I think they are in identity crisis of sorts.
How do I know you're delusional? You think Fox News is a "left-wing propaganda hub".
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> It'll be interesting to see if whoever replaces Ajit Pai holds a different view on public intercourse over the airwaves. Really hoping you mean "public discourse" :-)
Humor aside, intercourse and discourse are synonyms. Although, intercourse is often used as short for "sexual intercourse". But you are pretty much asking for that joke (like when you still use "ejaculate" with the "blurt out" meaning).
TIL, thanks. I've never heard the term "public intercourse" before, always "public discourse", so I thought it was a typo.
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#927Anyone with a modicum of sense has been saying this should happen for years now.
This ban rings hollow. You're 100% correct that Trump has been provoking violence for years now (e.g. "If she [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks...although the Second Amendment people ... maybe there is" / "When the looting starts, the shooting starts"). Zuckerberg just knows now that Democrats will be in power so this is a safe move to appear like he hasn't been perfectly fine helping Trump…
The first was in the context of talking about court cases that the judges will see. It was probably referencing 2A legal defense and litigator orgs like the NRA and GOA.
The second example capped off a paragraph about curfew measures to prevent daytime protests from being overtaken by nighttime looting. Therefore it could be an empirical statement about tragedies that tend to and have followed looting and is using that to justify his preventive measures. If he meant it normatively and wanted to shoot people he probably wouldn’t have pushed preventative measures.
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The death of the press¹ has been an worldwide phenomenon, so attributing it to a single US legislative bill is a bit too reductionist. It's quite possible that there was US protagonism on that process, and it's quite possible that the bill was a relevant factor, but the bill doesn't have an worldwide impact, and the US influence does certainly not come from it. 1 - It looks quite dead by now, nearly everything we cal…
Regardless - giving every single person, no matter what their accomplishments or talents, the same voice online, without anything out there filtering the garbage, was a really, REALLY bad move. Unfiltered social media is an amplifier for bullshit. Truth, reason, a good analysis - they're all hard. Spewing out nonsensical mythology is easy. Something needs to change.
What we have today is orders of magnitude better. The main challenge moving forward will be designing information systems so as to promote challenging opinions rather than reinforcing them, which requires these companies to move away from optimizing engagement but something else.
IMO, solving that problem is a step in the correct direction.
Implementing systems that rely on credentialing and moderation are a net regression, even if they (maybe) solve this specific problem. It’s just going back to systems in the past where things appeared great but weren’t actually. Think of all the people who, today, legitimately thrive because we’ve broken down some of the credentialing gatekeepers (Ben Thompson at Stratechery comes to mind).
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Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.
What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.
Some top choices:
Nightmarish treatment of immigrants, both legal and illegal.
Absolute sabotage of any progress on climate change both through manipulation of the relevant departments and through rollbacks of regulation.
Tax cuts that disproportionately affect the rich.
Attempts to completely dismantle Obamacare without any sensible replacement.
Bigoted limitations on transgender people, especially in the military. And continued DoJ support for legal discrimination against gay people.
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No, all he said was: "Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Protest is protected by the first amendment.
What happened was NOT a protest.