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Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Regardless of being the right thing to do or not, it is very interesting to see a software platform banning a president of a country. Interesting times.

It's a turning point. For the 1st time ever the tech giants asserted that their power in the internet is bigger then the government. It was kinda obvious the last few years, but remained implicit. Today the implicit became explicit. I'm sure it will have a profound impact on American democracy in the long run. Interesting times, indeed.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#922
post #840

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Fox News was created to have enough control over media to prevent a Nixon-like event ever happening to the GOP again. https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-ne...

That line summarizing the article you linked isn't inaccurate but left out some big chunks of logic. Just to clarify the article outlines that Fox News was created to prevent something like what Nixon did ever having a disastrous effect on the party - rather than preventing what Nixon did.

Sorry, yes, I wrote my comment quickly and poorly. It was created to enable GOP politicians to behave like Nixon while avoiding the accountability to the truth that Nixon was forced to face.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#923
Facebook is not a public space at this time. As such, they have the right to kick anyone off their platform without reason - just as you may choose who to invite inside your home. To those who are arguing on free speech: your argument has no merit. And until facebook is considered a public space, your argument will continue to have no merit. If you would like to give your argument a leg to stand on, then I would suggest you focus your efforts on making facebook and similar platforms public spaces under the law. I think you'll find instances like this will serve you in making this argument.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#924
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I noticed this last night. I mostly watch local news, but I put on CNN during the voting last night, and while the BBC was sorta talking over the voting going on in the background, CNN gave up on it entirely and it was just 5 people spouting outrage. Even when it's outrage I agree with, it angers me.

And indeed who voted and who spoke and how they spoke was far more consequential to our country than hot air from 5 random commentators. I was watching PBS NewsHour and saw people like Representative Cawthorn give very calculated speeches that were very disturbing if you read between the lines.

This is why I spent the night watching the C-SPAN streams, where they prioritized (and seem to always do) live footage, both of the debates and the chaos. They also spent most of the rest of the time taking phone calls from randos on a public line, and the views expressed in those calls really illuminated the breadth of public opinion at the moment (obviously with selection bias of who felt inclined to call in).

Down the line, I can read other people's thoughtful analysis of what people said and how people voted and evaluate it in the context of having seen it live, rather than from having heard Michael Barbaro's quick-cut package in the morning.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

#925

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it's not that Fox News became "moderate" , they became just another left-wing propaganda hub like CNN and WaPo , except for very few commentators like Tucker and Ingraham. Their elections coverage was a disaster as well. I think they are in identity crisis of sorts.

How do I know you're delusional? You think Fox News is a "left-wing propaganda hub".

There appear to be a substantial group of people who are soc convinced that certain leaders can do no wrong, so any outlet that calls those leaders on anything is inherently exposed as socialist propaganda.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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> It'll be interesting to see if whoever replaces Ajit Pai holds a different view on public intercourse over the airwaves. Really hoping you mean "public discourse" :-)

Humor aside, intercourse and discourse are synonyms. Although, intercourse is often used as short for "sexual intercourse". But you are pretty much asking for that joke (like when you still use "ejaculate" with the "blurt out" meaning).

> Humor aside, intercourse and discourse are synonyms.

TIL, thanks. I've never heard the term "public intercourse" before, always "public discourse", so I thought it was a typo.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Anyone with a modicum of sense has been saying this should happen for years now.

This ban rings hollow. You're 100% correct that Trump has been provoking violence for years now (e.g. "If she [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks...although the Second Amendment people ... maybe there is" / "When the looting starts, the shooting starts"). Zuckerberg just knows now that Democrats will be in power so this is a safe move to appear like he hasn't been perfectly fine helping Trump…

Those statements you gave as examples weren’t so clear cut.

The first was in the context of talking about court cases that the judges will see. It was probably referencing 2A legal defense and litigator orgs like the NRA and GOA.

The second example capped off a paragraph about curfew measures to prevent daytime protests from being overtaken by nighttime looting. Therefore it could be an empirical statement about tragedies that tend to and have followed looting and is using that to justify his preventive measures. If he meant it normatively and wanted to shoot people he probably wouldn’t have pushed preventative measures.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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The death of the press¹ has been an worldwide phenomenon, so attributing it to a single US legislative bill is a bit too reductionist. It's quite possible that there was US protagonism on that process, and it's quite possible that the bill was a relevant factor, but the bill doesn't have an worldwide impact, and the US influence does certainly not come from it. 1 - It looks quite dead by now, nearly everything we cal…

Regardless - giving every single person, no matter what their accomplishments or talents, the same voice online, without anything out there filtering the garbage, was a really, REALLY bad move. Unfiltered social media is an amplifier for bullshit. Truth, reason, a good analysis - they're all hard. Spewing out nonsensical mythology is easy. Something needs to change.

Not necessarily, I think what we have today is far better than a world where a few people got to control what was said. That only works if they are well intentioned and trustworthy, but it’s corruptible. And they certainly aren’t necessarily arbiters of truth.

What we have today is orders of magnitude better. The main challenge moving forward will be designing information systems so as to promote challenging opinions rather than reinforcing them, which requires these companies to move away from optimizing engagement but something else.

IMO, solving that problem is a step in the correct direction.

Implementing systems that rely on credentialing and moderation are a net regression, even if they (maybe) solve this specific problem. It’s just going back to systems in the past where things appeared great but weren’t actually. Think of all the people who, today, legitimately thrive because we’ve broken down some of the credentialing gatekeepers (Ben Thompson at Stratechery comes to mind).

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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Like Trump is just a regular president of a country. It's not surprising at all given his behavior. Being president doesn't excuse it.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

> What policies he pushed you are not happy with?

Some top choices:

Nightmarish treatment of immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Absolute sabotage of any progress on climate change both through manipulation of the relevant departments and through rollbacks of regulation.

Tax cuts that disproportionately affect the rich.

Attempts to completely dismantle Obamacare without any sensible replacement.

Bigoted limitations on transgender people, especially in the military. And continued DoJ support for legal discrimination against gay people.

Re: Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump

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No, all he said was: "Big Protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!" Protest is protected by the first amendment.

What happened was NOT a protest.

They should have stolen some sneakers and televisions, that's what a protest is as I understand from the MSM.
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