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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by bobthepanda »

kerkeslager wrote: post #893
bobthepanda wrote: post #796

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It is worth noting that MLK was not popular in his time: > Back in the 1960s, when King was actually leading protests, just 36 percent of white Americans thought he was helping “the Negro cause of civil rights,” according to historical polling data compiled by the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research. In a 1966 Gallup poll, more than 60 percent of the public rated King more negatively than positively. > After Kin…

Is that worth noting? Why? Change isn't a popularity contest. If King changed views on black voting rights from 20% for to 40% for, that's a pretty massive change.

Part of what makes authoritarian behavior so dangerous is that they don't need a majority to cause a lot of damage, just a very sizable group. You want to stamp it out quickly before a lot of damage is done, and "fighting fascism with the truth" generally takes time on a generational scale.

It is worth noting that the election before Hitler was made chancellor, the Nazis actually lost 14% of their seats in the Reichstag, yet they were still powerful enough to eventually come to power.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by abellerose »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #902
abellerose wrote: post #520

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Hate is just a "word" used to express human emotion to another human. Someone can view "hate" differently because they've not experienced the emotion of another that has defined hate from their own personal unique life events. In this world I've encountered people that truly hate others so very much. They wish what they hate didn't exist and they honestly believe the world would be better if it happened to become tru…

There's a disconnect here I feel. If one chooses to refer to biological females as female, and biological males as male (and perhaps approach other situations ad hoc) then it seems you would say "this is trans hate" but the person practicing that behaviour doesn't [necessarily] hate the people they're referring to. Indeed the person who uses biological identifiers seems often to be the hated person, a person who iden…

Of course I disagree. If you would like to have a conversation about what you wrote. We can on discord or by phone. Would you be willing to?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by kabacha »

novia wrote: post #895
kabacha wrote: post #828

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Is discourse regarding trans-gender really necessary though? It seems something a bunch of spoiled elitist bigots would discuss as their way to express distaste for plebs and pretends it's some sort of philosophical debate. Someone's interpretation of their own sexuality or gender affects no one but themselves. You can discuss it over at /r/philosophy if your intentions are truly analytical.

> Someone's interpretation of their own sexuality or gender affects no one but themselves. This section was already covered by another user, but I'd like to provide an example too: So, you fall in love with someone, and marry them. You have children with them and you have a nice family. Everything is going great until one day ... they confess to you that they have always felt like they were the opposite gender. This…

I'll go ahead and say it's probably such an extremely rare occurrence that I highly doubt some sort of forum is required here.

Why an exclusive community about this subject necessary? This topic is not prohibited on /r/offmychest or any other "venting" subreddit. To me it seems like community of common hate and that's just awfully unnecessary. I'm pretty certain posts of "my spouse turned out trans an left me" would never be removed from any platform.

There's so little value here that negatives outweigh the positives by an absurd margin.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Gunax »

citizenkeen wrote: post #563
Gunax wrote: post #414

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And a white supremacist is not someone who advocates for bringing jobs back home, or enforcing immigration law. But people still feel free to call Trump racist because of those policies. The reason is that people view him as having ulteriour motives beyond his stated ones. Everyone is for affordable housing, so being in favour of that has no political bearing. But there are different proposed solutions to that. Putti…

Retweeting a video that says "white power" is something racists do, though, so you might need a better example.

Using that analogy, putting a wealth cap on people is something communists do, so therefore they are communists.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Gunax »

skinnymuch wrote: post #581
Gunax wrote: post #414

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And a white supremacist is not someone who advocates for bringing jobs back home, or enforcing immigration law. But people still feel free to call Trump racist because of those policies. The reason is that people view him as having ulteriour motives beyond his stated ones. Everyone is for affordable housing, so being in favour of that has no political bearing. But there are different proposed solutions to that. Putti…

Who wanted a $10M wealth cap? How would that even work? How widespread was that belief in any popular sub?

I think it was fairly popular. I saw people arguing for it (you don't need more than $20 million dollars, so it should go to the public)

This is actually a popular view in wider reddit.

Of course this is all anecdotal. Of course I can't give you any numbers, just gut feeling I got there.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by SauciestGNU »

pmiller2 wrote: post #865
SauciestGNU wrote: post #342

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I posted on cth periodically and while I think it was banned largely so the admins could claim "balance" I don't care at all. Nothing serious happened there, the daily chat threads were fun, but it was clearly eventually going to be banned and I knew that and didn't get invested.

+1 to this. Chapo wasn't bad at all, in terms of breaking actual rules. I saw people on the announcement thread claiming it was full of tankies, and that was reason enough to ban it, but it really wasn't. You wouldn't get very far on Chapo by unironically talking about what a great man Stalin or Mao was -- though, guillotine jokes, including applying them to the necks of landlords, would certainly get you upvotes. I…

/r/fullcommunism is also quarantined though. I'm honestly a little surprised it didn't get banned in this wave. And late stage capitalism has had a bunch of mod coups and stuff over the years that have negatively affected the quality of the sub.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by novia »

kabacha wrote: post #923
novia wrote: post #895

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> Someone's interpretation of their own sexuality or gender affects no one but themselves. This section was already covered by another user, but I'd like to provide an example too: So, you fall in love with someone, and marry them. You have children with them and you have a nice family. Everything is going great until one day ... they confess to you that they have always felt like they were the opposite gender. This…

I'll go ahead and say it's probably such an extremely rare occurrence that I highly doubt some sort of forum is required here. Why an exclusive community about this subject necessary? This topic is not prohibited on /r/offmychest or any other "venting" subreddit. To me it seems like community of common hate and that's just awfully unnecessary. I'm pretty certain posts of "my spouse turned out trans an left me" would…

it was such a rare occurrence it was difficult to find people who had been through something similar who could relate.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by zpallin »

sixteenyearold wrote: post #834
zpallin wrote: post #440

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> they migrated to thedonald.win An individual can migrate a forum without any assistance. Not denying that The_Donald was a community, just saying that the migration of content is not evidence of the extent to which something is a community. > And yet Reddit happily ignores vote brigading and other negative externalities from any subreddit that toes their party line, so it seems bizarre to single T_D out. Except T_D…

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It appears that you are advocating for censorship then. If you think all this /r/politics stuff is contemptible, would you agree that banning T_D was good, even if it was, as you assert, a biased measure?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by dmoy »

opiemonster wrote: post #917
CogentHedgehog wrote: post #742

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As moderator of a top-100 subreddit: this is SO incredibly accurate. You must be another moderator of one of the big subreddits. 90% of my work is nuking flamewars, spammers, trolls, and low-effort meme replies. Without automation and human moderators to clean up, it's basically impossible to have a free exchange of ideas or any good discussion. Free speech disappears into the noise. The idea of free speech is great…

One of the original ideas was with the up and down arrows, the good content rises to the top. The problem with heavy handed moderators is that they are often biased and many get on a power trip.

For a sufficiently large sub there is no time for power tripping. Only an endless queue of spam and vitirol

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by spamuel »

Can_Not wrote: post #882
postphoned wrote: post #851

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>Isn’t /r/politics completely one sided fake news to prop up the democrats??? /r/politics is how I imagine the "Two Minutes Hate" from 1984. A complete circle-jerk that has infested many of the main subreddits. /r/pics, /r/nextfuckinglevel, /r/publicfreakout are rather outposts of /r/politics these days. No wonder, when a small clique of politically aligned mods controls the major subreddits. Even /r/askhistorians jo…

Damn, I can't believe they took a non-neutral stance on extrajudicial murder of black people. Crazy stuff.

There are an endless number of causes one could "black out" for. But they just so happened to black out for the one with a pressure campaign and mob backing, that has intertwined itself with American national political ambitions?

The emotional blackmail of this movement will probably be its undoing.

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