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Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by skinnymuch »

Gunax wrote: post #414
ant6n wrote: post #345

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I find it wierd what some Americans consider to be communist. A communist is not somebody who advocates for * equal rights for all people independent of ethnic origin, skin color, gender or religion * public transit * universal access to health care * affordable higher education * affordable housing * or even wealth redistribution via taxes, for example via welfare or a guaranteed minimum income A Communist is somebo…

And a white supremacist is not someone who advocates for bringing jobs back home, or enforcing immigration law. But people still feel free to call Trump racist because of those policies. The reason is that people view him as having ulteriour motives beyond his stated ones. Everyone is for affordable housing, so being in favour of that has no political bearing. But there are different proposed solutions to that. Putti…

Who wanted a $10M wealth cap? How would that even work? How widespread was that belief in any popular sub?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by hhhhhhhjjjjjjju »

monksy wrote: post #558
hhhhhhhjjjjjjju wrote: post #487

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I run a video game clan with a fairly active discord channel -- the stance I've taken is: there are no rules beyond: 1. nothing illegal (includes cheating at games) 2. no racism / homophobia / transphobia 3. no harassing other members 4. everyone has different beliefs and come from different parts of the world -- if you are offended, ask the offender to stop, otherwise see a mod so far there are around 50 people in t…

> includes cheating at games That's not illegal. It's just not permissible on the services that run the games. Also, it used to be a thing in video gaming. (Game genie) For some reason, we've given up to video game companies who try to dictate how people should enjoy a product that they purchase.

It might not be illegal by laws of the land, but its illegal in our world and we will instantly kick + permanently ban any member who is caught cheating. We take it as seriously as any illegal activity (as defined by law of the land).

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by chippy »

abellerose wrote: post #318
gtk40 wrote: post #255

/r/gendercritical was also banned, an active and well-moderated radical feminist sub. I am not a radical feminist, nor was I particularly welcomed there as a man, but I found the sub interesting to expand my perspective.

What did that subreddit do besides hating on trans people? I never saw anything but countless posts targeting hate against trans people.

are people expanding their perspective from encountering non mainstream content dangerous? it appears many view the subreddit as being awful. Is it possible that another could view awful content and derive positive value from it?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by fragmede »

CM30 wrote: post #183
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

The best solution is not to cave to anyone. It's to come out, say what you think is best, then tell anyone who disagrees to either take it or leave the platform. If enough companies, groups and individuals do that, this sort of pressure will stop, since people will learn it doesn't work. Most people won't stop using a platform over this stuff anyway.

In order to do that you have to go the Silk Road route, and try to host the site untraceably, paying for the server in Bitcoin, with the server hosted in a country with a no-extradition policy but has fast Internet. Otherwise for the platform to exist on the "regular" Internet, with servers and server admin living in a country with laws, the platform has to start policing content - banning the sale of drugs, weapons, and murder-for-hire, along with censoring other material - porn, gore, child pornography, copyright infringing material, files that are covered under ITAR.

The Internet is rife with censorship. It just offends our first amendment sensibilities to call it that for some very specific categories.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by deanCommie »

Natsu wrote: post #385
bitexploder wrote: post #234

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Well, if you had any doubt about the character of TD and what it has become at its new home, just cruise around it. It’s full of conspiracy theories, misogyny, racism, and outright calls to violence. It is a common sentiment there that the only good Democrat is a dead one. These “edgy” takes receive many upvotes.

Eh, I've seen almost all of those things on the front page of Reddit, too. Just recently, on the front page of reddit, I've seen a headline saying to cut off a cop's dick because he tasered someone (I believe it said 'take his badge and his manhood'), ACAB types have been threatening to kill cops, Reddit has doxxed the wrong people for major crimes, etc. It's particularly ironic because the original justification for…

"Take his badge and gun" is the typical expression.

That person replaced gun with manhood implying that the person's manhood is derived from them power-tripping with weapons.

Threatening violence IN RESPONSE to violence is a far cry from INSTIGATING violence against peace.

One is defending yourself against bullying by standing up to it with comparable force. The other is bullying.

Is there nothing people like you won't "both side"?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by hhhhhhhjjjjjjju »

xienze wrote: post #575
hhhhhhhjjjjjjju wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a video game clan with a fairly active discord channel -- the stance I've taken is: there are no rules beyond: 1. nothing illegal (includes cheating at games) 2. no racism / homophobia / transphobia 3. no harassing other members 4. everyone has different beliefs and come from different parts of the world -- if you are offended, ask the offender to stop, otherwise see a mod so far there are around 50 people in t…

> I don't know how but thus far we've had no real issues. Because you only have 50 users, which is nothing. It’s the same reason communism is such an appealing idea, in very small communities it works but doesn’t scale up to nation-sized ones.

fifty is exactly 50 more than nothing, but I understand the point you are attempting to make.

Anyway, we'll keep doing our thing. Like I tell everyone, we're 50% video games, 50% 4chan. If you can't deal with it, you don't have to play with us.

edit: also to clarify, we're gamers, not "users". its a gaming collective, these are not my customers. Its very strange for me to see this group referred to as "users".

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by zacharycohn »

throwaway829 wrote: post #539
caconym_ wrote: post #494

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T_D was chock full of calls for violence since its early days. In particular, I remember looking one day and seeing its whole front page covered in posts glorifying Pinochet for the way he treated his domestic enemies. The mods quite clearly had no good faith interest in keeping this kind of content out, only stepping in (except to ban users going against the narrative) when they were threatened from above. I am myst…

Similar to how leftists promoted the "punch a nazi in the face" meme'. They will of course be the ones defining who is a "nazi".

People have the right to free speech - which means the _government_ can not tell them what they cannot say. It doesn't mean they can exercise that right free of consequences from society or businesses.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

Whatever else you want to want to say about our current president, "The People" did not vote him in.

The fact that he's President really is going back to the founding fathers' intention, and why we have an Electoral College in the first place:

So that underrepresented voters would have a say in who the President was. And they did, so he is. And now he's pretending that he's the voice of our country, when he so clearly is not. The People spoke, and they requested someone else.

A reasonable person would look at his election results and create an agenda from there, but not Trump. I am hopeful that is his downfall. I'm not holding my breath about it, though.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Brendinooo »

ipython wrote: post #549
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

It’s funny, what I see is not politics but simple market effects. The truth is that most people value some level of moderation. Surprise! A cesspool of trolls does not provide for an inviting community. I find it hilarious that we have congresspeople whining about being “censored” on the very platform they claim is censoring them. I would think the first step of a competent censor would be to censor complaints of cen…

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. If you want to censor and you don't have an ironclad mandate to go nuts, you need veneer of plausible deniability. "How are we censoring people? If we were censoring, would our first step be to censor complaints of censorship itself?"

(Not saying that's what's happening, just saying I disagree with the argument here)

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