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Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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The founder of Soylent clearly believes he's an expert in many, many fields: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331 BTW, anyone know a good word for this attitude? I wouldn't call it hybris, though it's closely related. It's a mix of arrogance, over confidence, ignorance, plus more and very prevalent in SV.

"I have not set foot in a grocery store in years. Nevermore will I bumble through endless confusing aisles like a pack-donkey searching for feed while the smell of rotting flesh fills my nostrils and fluorescent lights sear my eyeballs and sappy love songs torture my ears. Grocery shopping is a multisensory living nightmare." This kind of writing is insufferable.

Hey, and when writers of newyorker.com do it, it is called "fantastic journalism"…

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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The founder of Soylent clearly believes he's an expert in many, many fields: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331 BTW, anyone know a good word for this attitude? I wouldn't call it hybris, though it's closely related. It's a mix of arrogance, over confidence, ignorance, plus more and very prevalent in SV.

Judging by many of the comments on here that think the problem has been obvious all along, I'd call it Hacker News Syndrome.

Everyone else's job is easier than my job.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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One of the biggest flaws of the tech industry is the belief that being a tech expert is enough to disrupt other industries in which they don't have any expertise. Sometimes they get lucky and it works despite something like Uber's or Airbnb's total ignorance of the law. Sometimes it fails like with numerous cryptocurrency companies relearning why the finance industry has so many dang regulations. Seems like Soylent i…

The founder of Soylent clearly believes he's an expert in many, many fields: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331 BTW, anyone know a good word for this attitude? I wouldn't call it hybris, though it's closely related. It's a mix of arrogance, over confidence, ignorance, plus more and very prevalent in SV.

I think that's satire, in the same style of http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1005.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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post #477

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The founder of Soylent clearly believes he's an expert in many, many fields: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331 BTW, anyone know a good word for this attitude? I wouldn't call it hybris, though it's closely related. It's a mix of arrogance, over confidence, ignorance, plus more and very prevalent in SV.

This has to be satire. Right? Please be satire. Thanks for sharing this though, I was previously under the impression Soylent was created by someone relatively sane.

I assumed it was satire, considering he's written other tongue-in-cheek posts, like http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1005.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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Scientifically, will 'Soylent' ever be as good as milk, yogurt, fruit or soup? I don't think so.

Well, you can survive on Soylent alone, but I'm fairly certain you couldn't survive on milk alone.

Actually .... babies survive on milk alone, in rare cases for 3 or 4 years. Cow babies survive on cow milk. While it isn't clear (to me) that humans can survive solely on cow milk (pasteurized milk at that, which means many vitamins, minerals and immune related ingredients are gone), but it is not unthinkable.

There is another class of food, in addition to milk, that is able to completely support life: eggs. Proof: Live thing comes out of egg without any additional nutrition. Whether it is enough to completely support human life, is, again, unclear - but the answer might very well be "yes".

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> At least he's been eating his own product almost exclusively when at home according to that blog post. I'd note that he got anemia early on in his Soylent journey because he forgot iron was a basic nutrient.

I'd note that many people in my social circle and family forget that iron is a basic nutrient. It happens. People forget that sodium is as well, especially with all of the talk about how bad salt is for you.

Presumably the Soylent guy ought to be held to a higher standard of knowing what "basic nutrients" are, as he actively promotes himself as an expert on the topic and encourages people to buy his drink full of "all basic nutrients." If your friends and family aren't doing that, their ignorance is excusable.

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AirBnB and Uber are as ignorant of the law as a medicinal marijuana dealer selling in Texas.

If ignorance gets you a 30-something billion dollar valuation, then maybe it isn't such a bad strategy after all.

Check back in 30 years. I expect Uber and Airbnb to go the way of all tech stocks...

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I think that Soylent will go down as a cautionary tale for anyone who looks at a field they know very little about and thinks "how hard could it be?". Along with Theranos. What Soylent should have built to be worth $100+ million is a way to make a food product tailored to a particular person or group of people that's based on automation and nutritional science. Instead they seem to have a cobbled together amalgam tha…

A cautionary tale that produces a fast-growing company now worth at least $100 million dollars? I'll take it.

I think of Iomega: $100/share in 1998, $2/share in 2005. There are better investments...

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Soylent made such a big deal of being a "tech company", and boasted about their overdesigned web infrastructure for a business that did two transactions a minute. What they didn't have is advanced technology on the production side. They write about "sending samples out" to external labs. It's not like they had an automated lab constantly sampling their production line and posting the results to the web. There are pro…

Our experience at MealSquares[1] has been that these external testing services are entirely oriented around the food industries needs for 'check-offs' rather than any concern about whether food is good or even safe for humans. I repeatedly had food science advisors confuesedly tell me 'but it's generally recognized as safe!' when I raised concerns about newly released designer cocktails of preservatives or flavoring…

Off topic, but I just checked out your website. I read the landing page, and it sounds reasonable so far. I saw the "Try Some" link and thought, "Sure, I'll give it a try!" I thought it would lead to a page offering to send me a free (or very cheap, shipping only) sample square. Instead I am asked to pay $90 (!) just to try it (which is different than the $85 price actually on the form.)

May I suggest making that link lead to a "free sample" page rather than a "give us $90 before even trying a bite" page? I think you'll get a whole lot more uptake that way.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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I found Soylent incredibly useful recently when I went through a bout of gastro.

It was easy to keep down, and this way I knew I was at least getting some nutrients in.

I don't use Soylent as a day-to-day meal. I use it when I am rushing around, and the alternative is McDonalds. The way I see it.

1. It's a fixed 500 calorie intake 2. It's reasonably balanced nutritionally 3. It doesn't have useless junk I don't need (extra oil/fat, preservatives, extra sugar/flavouring etc.).

A lot of people seem to say, oh, but what if you miss XYZ nutrient, or, what if there is this other secret nutrient in fresh food you don't have.

My question to you is - do you think KFC or McDonalds would have these secret nutrients? Or that the fried-chicken and chips meal you get at the local takeout, or the oily chinese takeout you buy on lazy nights if somehow better for you?

If the alternative is other sorts of so-called fast foods - then yeah, I'm going to take the Soylent.

Also, people talk about how preparing wholesome, healthy fresh food takes no time...bollocks.

When you have a one-year old in your hands crying, you're rushing to pack her bags for daycare, you have another scamp running around chasing the cat (whom you still need to feed, by the way) - the last think you want to do is warm up the stove, cut some veggies, and make up a stir-fry. You want to shove two scoops of powder, shake it with some water and glug it down.

Not to mention shopping for groceries.

Yes, I love cooking - but I'd like to do it as a enjoyable thing, when I have time/energy. Not something I need to do, even when I'm exhausted, because the alternative is starving, or greasy takeout.

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