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The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by Eupolemos »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #894
kfreds wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not defending his choice, but consider reading Daniel's rationale in the Flamman article. There's also his blog [1], which explains some of his views. I know he doesn't share all of Örebropartiets views, but I should let him provide that nuance. As I said in another comment, speaking for myself, I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues…

>I don’t like that he made this donation and I know this view is shared by many of my colleagues. Its a strange world now where everyone is expected to have a public opinion on everyone else's opinions to keep them in line. Very anti privacy, anti freedom, and against plurality of opinion.

I'm sorry - you're saying that having a public opinion on another person's opinion is against the plurality of opinion?

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Post by kfreds »

sph wrote: post #870

I am anti-racist, son of immigrants, son of a mixed race couple, yet what scares me is the mobbing of people against other that have a different opinion than yours, as seen in this thread. Plenty saying they cannot in good conscience support Mullvad, while directly and indirectly giving money to people like Bezos, Musk or Cook, among others, or supporting politicians from both aisles, who have the power to do much wo…

> what scares me is the mobbing of people against other that have a different opinion than yours, as seen in this thread.

I am dismayed by the anti-intellectual climate in the world as well, but HN is an oasis of empathy and curiosity compared to other platforms. Look at the people I've engaged with. Many of them vehemently disagree with Daniel, and with my position. They understand it, compliment Mullvad, and say they unfortunately have to leave. That's the way political discourse should work.

> Plenty saying they cannot in good conscience support Mullvad, while directly and indirectly giving money to people like Bezos, Musk or Cook, among others, or supporting politicians from both aisles, who have the power to do much worse at a greater scale. I call this hypocrisy, and it is widespread in social media driven mob mentality.

Good point. We should probably be more open about how much good Mullvad has done over the years. I've been so focused on just doing stuff, and not telling people about it.

> I like Mullvad the company, and I know that people might support politics I find despicable. Such is life outside of silly internet echo chambers.

Thank you.

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Post by ninjin »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #768
epistasis wrote: post #432

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I'm pretty familiar with these right-wingers that claim to fight for "freedom of speech" they all end up fighting for "freedom of speech for the things I want to say, jail for those who oppose me." The 2024-2025 swing was pretty extreme on that front. Political extremists are all the same, left or right, nobody should be surprised because they seek power above all else. I had been pretty concerned about the level of…

Do you think any of the people publicly claiming that they will no longer do business with Mullvad because Daniel Berntsson donates to an anti-immigration political party, wouldn't make donating to that party an illegal, jail-able legal offense if they had the political power to do so?

Why would we? There are plenty of us that believe in free speech, but would rather not see our money go towards bankrolling further destroying public discourse like you see Allard doing. It is perfectly possible to forward your opinions without setting the public square on fire. The kind of rhetoric that you profess here is dangerous and I see it all too often in the US. If no side attempts to hold the high ground, all we will have is a race towards the bottom and at some point arguing that it is high time to send the other side off to the camps and that is not a future I want to see.

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Post by dumdellidum »

Everyone hating, I hope you check every company you use to make sure their political stance align with yours.

No AWS or Google Cloud if you're pro-abortion, for example:

"Together, Amazon, AT&T, Citigroup, Coca-Cola, Comcast, CVS, General Motors, Google, T-Mobile, Walgreens, Walmart, Wells Fargo and Verizon have spent at least $15.2 million to support anti-abortion politicians, according to publicly available political spending disclosures." from https://truthout.org/articles/companies-like-amazon-and-cvs-...

Re: The CEO of Mullvad is the main financer of the Swedish Örebro party

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Post by kfreds »

tamimio wrote: post #496

Welp, that vanishes my support for mullvad, despite I did recommend it to many of my friends who doesn’t want/can setup their own. Im not against people having different political opinions, I personally agree with things from each side and disagree with them both too on other matters, plus having my own third option that doesn’t fit any side. But I am certainly against a company marketing itself as a “defender of per…

> But I am certainly against a company marketing itself as a “defender of personal and human rights and freedom”, yet they are sponsoring a party that obviously doesn’t hold these values

No. Daniel made this donation privately. I own and lead the company too. Both I and several of my colleagues don't like that Daniel made this donation. You are misrepresenting the facts.

> this company will report individuals in the future to deport them maybe, 5 years later they are reporting others for disagreeing with whatever agenda that party is having, it’s always a slippery slope, never think it will end at xyz and that’s it.

You can choose to believe that, but it doesn't make it true.

> Goddammit it’s like companies are ALWAYS destined to turn to evil one way or another, it’s just how long it will take is the question. It’s a reminder that you should always host your own, trust nobody, none.

I'm sorry you hold this world-view.

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Post by Hikikomori »

peterfirefly wrote: post #890
gpm wrote: post #797

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> that supports freedom ... for everyone Unless you happen to be of Somalian descent in Sweden. Then you should be ripped away from the only home you've ever known, indeed possibly the only country you've ever been in, and sent to a foreign country you have no citizenship in, where you have no home, don't understand the language, know no one, and be forced to try and survive.

> don't understand the language Seriously? It's not like the Somalis have been in Sweden that long.

Their children might not speak their language.

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Post by arnoooooo »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #135
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #123

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I don't think it's reasonable to "demand" integration. What should happen is that the existing cultures should be open and welcoming enough so that new-comers want to take part. Also, I like the idea of immigrants bringing their culture with them (and in some cases, that may be the last representation of that culture) and welcoming people to learn about it. Multi-culturalism should be about championing different cult…

Why is the burden always on the host nation and never the immigrants?

Do you let anyone come into your home ? If you did, you'd no longer have a home, and therefore would not be able to offer hospitality anymore. Don't you expect people who come to your home to abide by at least a few rules ?

It's the same for a country. It's because it has borders, rules, and a strong culture that it has something to offer that immigrants might be interested in.

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Post by peterfirefly »

ailun wrote: post #529
mattrighetti wrote: post #229

I use Mullvad because it physically prevents anyone from logging my data. What a co-owner does with his personal money in a local Swedish municipal election has zero impact on the code protecting my traffic. Did a quick research - calling a party that campaigns for a 30-hour work week and socialist dental care 'far-right' just because they have a strict immigration policy shows how carelessly people throw labels arou…

Remigration is more than a strict immigration policy. And calling legal immigrants parasites is going too far.

Why? It is perfectly possible to be a legal immigrant and a parasite. It's even possible to be a completely homegrown native and a parasite. Wouldn't you call essentially all career criminals parasites?

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Post by adamzenith »

ciefa wrote: post #346
kamaitachi wrote: post #134

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Hi Fredrik I’m a long time Mullvad customer, likely paid Mullvad upward of 400€ in the past number of years, as well as recommended it to friends and family members. What you seem to be missing in your comment, is that some of that money I paid, found its way to support an organisation that has extreme racist views. I’ve reached out to support and requested a refund of my outstanding credit. I’ll be moving on.

Where will you move to? Are there any alternatives left? For me, Proton isn't one.. not sure what else there is.

What is the issue with Proton?
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