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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by felixding »

system2 wrote: post #763
felixding wrote: post #654

Please bring back the 3.5mm headphone jack! Removing it is one of the most annoying things ever in a phone. Yes, Bluetooth is getting better, but the jack always works perfectly. Why can't we have both?

The IP rating will degrade the moment they bring it back. The jacks will either corrode or let water inside the phone and kill it entirely. Nobody wants to deal with that giant hole.

Nah, that was solved decades ago. We had water-resistant phones with headphone jacks, even with replaceable batteries.

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Post by rciorba »

ChrisRR wrote: post #870
jillesvangurp wrote: post #778

I used to work for Nokia back when they still made phones. Replaceable batteries were very normal then. Phones were a bit thicker than today but not massively so. These days phones are actually thinner but much larger. I had a "are you happy to see me or is that a Nokia" type Nokia 9300. That was a brick. But it had a full hw keyboard. and flipped open it wasn't that much bigger than a modern smart phone. You could a…

It wasn't even that long ago. My Galaxy S4 had a back plate that clipped on and was still thin

And the Galaxy S5 that came after it, still had a replaceable battery while being waterproof.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by SlinkyOnStairs »

antifarben wrote: post #781

I'm an exception for sure but I have not seen much innovation in the phone space that you'd genuinely make me buy a new phone. Yes, cameras are better now. But some phones had good cameras years ago. I bought new phones mainly because of battery decline and/or not getting security updates. If one of these will be solved, that might change my phone buying behaviour. I don't care whether a display is called "retina" ,…

> I'm an exception for sure

You're not. This is a big reason why "tech" went so all-in on AI.

The era of rapid innovation and rapid growth on phones is over. We hit "peak smartphone" in 2019-2020, look at a chart of iphone or Samsung models. Like a lightswitch they locked in on a specific design.

Hell, the more curmudgeon-y will complain that phones have degraded since. Gone is the 3.5mm jack, gone is the SD card slot. "Fuck you, buy our expensive bluetooth junk." "Fuck you buy our cloud storage".

(The reality is that consumers appear to prefer bluetooth audio and cloud storage, phones that do still retain the 3.5mm/sd card slot aren't gaining ground in the market. Sony is likely to close down their phone division in the upcoming years despite being one of the last holdouts.)

Hence all the desire in tech to find "The next iPhone", and the dozens of attempts to make "AI hardware" despite the fact that literally all of it has failed against the simple question of "why can't this be a smartphone/smartwatch app?"

This extends to AI in general. It can't just be a tool with some specific applications, it has to "Change The World", "Be the next iPhone".

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Post by petra »

bko wrote: post #660
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

The fact that pretty much no phones have a replaceable battery says something. And it doesn't mean that all manufacturers are somehow colluding with each. The market is very competitive and pretty much every manufacturer decided the trade offs are not worth the benefit. If Samsung or Xiaomi or Google could sell you a better phone with a replaceable battery, they would. But everyone came to the conclusion that the tra…

>> pretty much every manufacturer decided the trade offs are not worth the benefit.

Isn't worth the benefit for who? the manufacturers? sure.

Let's say a single manufacturer decides to offer some phones with a changeable battery, invests in their marketing, and they start becoming very popular. What happens next? Every manufacturer does the same, nobody earn a premium, total sales volume gets cut in half.

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Post by Aachen »

Aissen wrote: post #835
Aachen wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the kind of "first" that comes right after shattered screens, worn batteries, and loose charging ports? :P I agree in spirit though: storage chips wearing out seems to be common from my limited experience and it would be good if you could solder on, or slide in, a new chip with some standard procedure

Screen, battery and charging port replacements are already routine at any repair shop, at least for the devices I buy.

Sure, but you said storage chips wearing out is the first thing that fails in a device

And battery replacements usually leave devices in a degraded state, not sure about screen or charging port, so it's still good that this becomes more accessible

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Post by Aachen »

oblio wrote: post #525
Aachen wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have more info about this? I recommended Motorola phones to people based on a combination of price, their needs, and expected longevity (at least 5y now with the new update and replacement part requirements). If that's not the case then I want to update my recommendations

https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/news/new-eu-rules...

I don't see the word loophole on that page. Would there's no way the EU will provide that information so I'm not going to comb through that page looking for, and speculating on, what GP could possibly have meant...

Could you be anymore specific about what part of this is the loophole that Motorola allegedly found?

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Post by marliechiller »

zeafoamrun wrote: post #819
jurgenburgen wrote: post #813

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> In order to reduce plastic pollution, they forced manufacturers to make attached bottle caps (terrible idea) According to research bottle caps are one of the biggest source of beach litter because they float and end up washed up. They are also exceptionally harmful to animals that confuse them for fish and end up consuming them. I don’t think anyone who is against the bottle caps directive is serious about protecti…

Every airport in Europe has no water filling stations so you have to buy a plastic bottle with the stupid attached bottle cap. So green!

Talk about confidently incorrect. Gatwick and Heathrow have water stations all over the place and I recently saw similar in Geneva

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Post by thelastgallon »

bmicraft wrote: post #840
thelastgallon wrote: post #804

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't need fast charging. Phones will be left on wireless charging surfaces, which will eventually be ubiquitous. Everyone hates usb-c plug in. Just leave it on a surface, pick it whenever you want. We don't need to fast charge anything, phones or EVs. Slow charging preserves battery life and smart charging will charge whenever it is cheapest.

Charging a 5Ah phone empty to full every day of the year adds up to all of about 7kWh. Nobody cares if you shave off a couple cents per year if the experience is worse.

But slow charging will preserve the battery life a lot longer, which is more important.

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Post by tardedmeme »

frm88 wrote: post #758
bko wrote: post #660

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that pretty much no phones have a replaceable battery says something. And it doesn't mean that all manufacturers are somehow colluding with each. The market is very competitive and pretty much every manufacturer decided the trade offs are not worth the benefit. If Samsung or Xiaomi or Google could sell you a better phone with a replaceable battery, they would. But everyone came to the conclusion that the tra…

Fairphone exists. The batteries are easily replaceable, they have a video on their website. It's no thicker than many other phones, runs on non Google OS, maybe just check it out. I have one and am totally satisfied with it. https://www.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-sy...

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Post by artificialprint »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #850

The EU with its mama energy again. I use 15 Pro. I don't like the new aluminium iPhones much. So I just went it to Apple service center and had the battery replaced. It costs just 90 euros and I now have a brand new phone, basically. I very much prefer my phone to be thinner, water resistant, and have a larger battery compared to being able to do it myself.

Why pay 90 when it could be 20
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