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Post by assimpleaspossi »

troyvit wrote: post #876
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I missed this further in the article. She broke up with him four years after the first claim of rape only after she found out he was with a 22-year old. So she didn't have any problems "escaping" the relationship.

Just a piece of advice. If a woman calls it rape it's not on her to prove it. It's on the man to prove it's not. This goes doubly when you're talking about one of the most powerful men in the world. There are dynamics at play here that none of us would be able to comprehend. Here's another source: https://www.kron4.com/news/technology-ai/former-google-ceo-s... An interesting thing is how most of the photos that the m…

I asked for no such proof. Quit making things up.

EDIT: It's really interesting that your link mentions nothing about any rape charges. These inconsistencies are why I am confused and asking questions. These inconsistencies should have you asking questions, too.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by mindslight »

neilv wrote: post #450
mindslight wrote: post #346

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> Schmidt is actually from OG Internet circles where many people were aware of privacy issues, and who were vigilant against incursions. > But perhaps he had a different philosophical position. Or perhaps it was his job to downplay the risks I feel that as the consumer surveillance industry took off, everyone from those OG Internet circles was presented with a choice - stick with the individualist hacker spirit, or t…

Yes, I remember that period of conscious choice, and the fence-sitting or rationalizing. The thing about "Don't Be Evil" at the time, is that (my impression was) everyone thought they knew what that meant, because it was a popular sentiment. The OG Internet people I'm talking about aren't only the Levy-style hackers, with strong individualist bents, but there was also a lot of collectivism. And the individualists and…

Sorry, I didn't mean to write out the hacker collectivists. I said "individualist" because to me hacking is a pretty individualist activity, even if one's ultimate goal is to contribute to some kind of collective. Or maybe I just don't truly understand collectives, I don't know.

But yes, individualists and collectivists mostly cooperated and coexisted. I'd say this is because they were merely different takes on the same liberating ground truths. Or at least liberating-seeming perceptions of ground truths...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by contrarian1234 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #647
contrarian1234 wrote: post #470

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yeah, this is exactly it. all the arguments kind of boil down to "well how about if the government does illegal or evil stuff?" its very similar to arguments about the second ammendment. But laws and rules shouldnt be structured around expecting a future moment where the government isnt serving the people. At that moment the rules already dont matter

You just described the Bill of Rights. Constitutions should be structured around that.

The Rights are not intended as preemptive. You don't have a right to free speech b/c otherwise maybe the government regulation of speech will get out of hand. You have it because it's espoused as a fundamental right. Same with separation of church and state. It's like "Well maybe a future evil government will regulate the church poorly, so lets ban it completely". It's just seen as an area the government shouldn't delve in entirely.

Collecting information about people doesn't really fit the same mold. It's not sensible to remove that function entirely. It's not a right. And it's not sensible to structure things with the expectation the future government will be evil

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

smsm42 wrote: post #701
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

> EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between le…

> Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by default.

If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #219

Don't you at least need to legally migrate to be in medicaid? I thought I had to be a citizen? Are they full in a full on SS mode now?

No, many states deliberately offer Medicare benefits to non-citizens and deliberately don't check for legal residency in the US.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cauch »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #819
cauch wrote: post #407

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A lot of people who support the current US government do not want the laws to be enforced, they just want to see people who look brown or foreigners to be deported, regardless of if they are in the US legally or illegally. The immigration laws are saying that we should stop illegal immigration, but respect the legal immigration. And because of that, it means that each case should be carefully treated to discover if t…

@cauch: let me ask you this: how do you weed out the illegals besides asking for proof or citizenship or proof of a passport visa that you are in the US legally?

Do what other civilised countries do?

What I don't understand is that ICE are clearly incompetent: they shoot the wrong guys, they keep claiming they arrested bad guys and it turns out they totally misunderstood and the persons in question are not who they thought they were. Even with Pretti, ICE declared they were there to arrest a known illegal with a "significant criminal history", but turns out the Minnesota officials have said it was not the case.

This is an usual strange situation: some people want to see "less illegal immigrants", and yet, they are ok with paying big money to pay incompetent people do an half-assed job.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JuniperMesos »

self_awareness wrote: post #789
Jun8 wrote: post #606

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They cannot receive from federally funded Medicaid but some states have programs or state-funded Medicaid programs that allow non-citizens to benefit. CA and NY do for some categories. See this example for WI: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/medicaid/noncitizens.htm

These programs really support illegal immigrants? They support legal immigrants, for sure, but the question was about illegal immigrants?

The states that run these programs have political leadership that doesn't want to make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, and wants to give state -funded benefits to illegal immigrants, and so deliberately doesn't check citizenship or legal residency status when you apply for benefits.

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Post by fragmede »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #913
mixmastamyk wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just described the Bill of Rights. Constitutions should be structured around that.

The Rights are not intended as preemptive. You don't have a right to free speech b/c otherwise maybe the government regulation of speech will get out of hand. You have it because it's espoused as a fundamental right. Same with separation of church and state. It's like "Well maybe a future evil government will regulate the church poorly, so lets ban it completely". It's just seen as an area the government shouldn't de…

> And it's not sensible to structure things with the expectation the future government will be evil

Jewish Danes would like to have a word with you about that

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

fullstop wrote: post #891
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #890

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> Yes, I too have proof of ID. It does not prove that I am a citizen. I can also tell you that children in the USA do not carry ID. I guess here is the misunderstanding. I cannot get an ID without being a citizen.

Citizenship is a Federal thing, but our IDs are provided by the State. You also didn't answer my question about us likely sending Somalis off to their deaths.

> You also didn't answer my question about us likely sending Somalis off to their deaths.

I did not answer it because it is a "might", not a certain thing. Also, take into account the fact that they knew it was a temporary thing when they came to the US. Now, knowing one possible outcome, they could emigrate to a third country that is willing to receive them.

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #886
thrance wrote: post #482

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You saw the videos, the guy only had a phone in hand, he got tear gased, pinned to the ground, and then they unloaded their guns on him. Stop lying about what you saw, or we'll start to believe you're actually pro-murder.

Phone was in his right hand (our left) and gun was holstered near his other hand. The gun went off into the ground as P320s are known to do when they removed it from him and officers reacted.

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