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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

I think that’s extremely incorrect tbh. Israel saw an opportunity and they took every inch of it.

They have neutered Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, and effected the fall of the Assad regime in Syria.

I don’t think Israel cares about foreign civilian opinions. Western states are largely still aligned and dependent on Israeli geopolitical presence.

Palestine is not and never was the focal point of this conflict. It was always Iran.

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This, for Israel it was a perfect pretext. Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood. It was a cold, cynical decision. He exploited the anger and emotions of the people after October 7th to justify what he is doing now.

> Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood It's probably as simple as Netanyahu's branded himself as Israel's protector, and if Palestine were to become less threatening, his political prospects sink.

No, it's probably not that simple. His self-interested maneuvering is without doubt part of the story, but it's very unlikely to be all of it.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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your entire narrative screams “I’m the victim here, please validate my aggressions, abuses and violence”. the state of Israel has not been respectful since day one of it’s inception (violating the defined borders) neither truly wants a two state solution. this outcome is the product of what escalated from that. at least you understand the correlation between a figure like Trump and the state of Israel, that’s exactly…

The state of Israel offered Palestinians a two state solutions multiple times starting at its inception (and it also offered them a one state solution at its inception with them being equal citizens in a free democratic country). Maybe it wasn't the best the Palestinians were looking for but it wasn't unreasonable and it was very close to what everyone (other than the Palestinians) says when they say "two state solut…

Before 1948 the Palestinians were peasants living under foreign rule. But at least they were alive. When Zionist interests moved in, backed by English and American militancy to enforce land purchase contracts, the Palestinians were not a centrally organized collective. You cannot “offer” to people who are not organized, and that’s what Israel has exploited. Jews went on a 2,000 year holiday in Europe, then came back and expected they could relive the glory days of a kingdom from over 2,000 years ago. The issue has been the presumption that you can “offer” to people who have occupied the land consistently for thousands of years. Their lack of central government as peasants does not negate their humanity. Except in the Israeli government’s expansionist eyes.

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Is there any direct source for the questionability which does not come from Israel, or from entities backed by Israel? Because nowadays, all of these “sources” which I’ve seen to be shared were clearly lying propaganda, like “they lied about what the link said” obvious lies, or shared links which were said by Israel basically. The funniest was the account whose only purpose was to show that Palestine was rich in real…

The US vetoes most resolutions related to Israel because they are anti-Israel.

https://globalaffairs.org/commentary-and-analysis/blogs/how-...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

So what would you do if you're Israel? Suck it up? Leave the hostages to rot in Gaza? Wait until the next coordinated attack from Iran, Lebanon, Syria, the West Bank and Gaza? Israel's enemies want it destroyed- that's what's at stake here. If Hamas had a chance it would keep going and murder all Israelis, not just the ones they managed to before they were repelled. What sort of adaptation are you proposing? I do agr…

always with the emotional manipulation, and when that doesn’t work go Samson on people

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> Is there any way to starve people deliberately, and win a media war ? I guess by doing what Hamas does[0]? > I’m not sure this has anything to do with Muslim vs Jewish population sizes. Mostly it's just an issue of Muslims being largely supportive of the Palestinian cause for religious reasons and having much larger populations. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2dwn7q40o

This is disturbing. You seem to imply that there are legitimate reasons to starve an entire population, which is to me so repulsive that you’re not even allowed to consider entering that territory.Under that reading, once you’ve crossed that line, how can you actually win a media war ?

> You seem to imply that there are legitimate reasons to starve an entire population, which is to me so repulsive that you’re not even allowed to consider entering that territory.

No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that the claims of starvation are simply not accurate.[0] They also tend to be pushed by antisemitic individuals[1].

[0] https://unwatch.org/hillel-neuer-on-sky-news-fabricated-u-n-...

[1] https://unwatch.org/legal-analysis-of-un-food-rapporteur-mic...

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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So what would you do if you're Israel? Suck it up? Leave the hostages to rot in Gaza? Wait until the next coordinated attack from Iran, Lebanon, Syria, the West Bank and Gaza? Israel's enemies want it destroyed- that's what's at stake here. If Hamas had a chance it would keep going and murder all Israelis, not just the ones they managed to before they were repelled. What sort of adaptation are you proposing? I do agr…

So criticism is hate? I'm Jewish does that mean I am hateful when I am critical of the actions of the Israeli government? Are you claiming none of the critism is legitimate and its all hate? Is criticism of Israel antisemetic? Because last I checked Israel is not a religion.

My other reply got flagged, please read it. But to add:

This specific article is not "criticism". The headline claims Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza. The title, and the article, completely ignores other actors like the government of Gaza (aka Hamas).

"How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized" -> is basically a lie. The truth is that Israeli actions contributed to the food situation in the Gaza strip. The cause is obviously the war. The cause of the war is obviously Hamas. The entire article rests solely on a report by a UN organization. The UN is not unbiased. It is openly anti-Israel.

The reporting is completely one sided. It is not news. It is agenda. CNN's agenda is anti-Israel. There is no mention of the UN leaving food on the border to rot and not deliver it. There is little to no mention of the UN's refusal to cooperate with Israeli initiatives to distribute food (and generally refuse to cooperate with Israel on anything).

At best the authors don't understand the idea that correlation doesn't equal causation. I would say the authors and CNN's goal is simply to attack Israel for political reasons.

I think Israel's decision to block aid around the end of February was stupid and a mistake. It is far from clear that decision is a war crime. Israel claims there was plenty of food in Gaza that was delivered during the ceasefire and ofcourse also claims that Hamas has plenty of food in its tunnels. Egypt also at times contributed to the condition in the Gaza strip by blocking aid and preventing refugees from leaving. The actual responsibility for the well being of Palestinian citizens in Palestinian controlled areas (which Gaza city still is) is on their government. That government has a choice to stop the war, it has a choice to distribute the food it controls to its citizens. Ignoring that in any article basically tells us what we need to know. Israel does have responsibilities under international law but is being held to impossible standards that are not applied to any other country. The media intentionally creates an artificial separation between "Hamas" and "Palestinians" where in fact we are talking about combatants and non-combatants of the same non-state or state-like actor (Gaza). Israel is responsible, to the same degree any other country would be, to take steps to allow non-combatants to leave battle areas and to not target them. Israel has asked all non-combatant population to evict the Northern Gaza strip a long time ago. The food situation is worse in that area. So Israel arguably has done what international law requires it to do with respect to non-combatants. Is Israel perfect? no. Is it worse than most western countries? I don't think so, and there's plenty of comparisons we can make. Can we criticize Israel? Definitely!

In terms of contribution to antisemitism, there is a large number of people who will read the title as "How Jew actions caused famine in Gaza". That is literally the conversation on some social media. Just because you haven't seen that doesn't change it. This means there should be more sensitivity and better accuracy and context.

Being Jewish is also not a religion by the way. It's an ethnicity as well. I'm sure you know this but just to remind others. The Jewish people are also known as Israelites and the word Israel is sometimes used as a synonym for Jewish.

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Here's a thought experiment to underline that, in case there's any confusion. Q. How many times did any Countries hold islamic-only real-estate expos in Mosques for the former and future homes and territories of Jewish peoples either already dispossessed or planned to be dispossessed due to fundamentalist islamic occupation? _Zero_ Q. How many times did any Countries held jewish-only real-estate expos in Synagogues f…

There was no need to hold real estate expos because the ethnic cleansing was a bit more direct during the Armenian and Assyrian genocide. It was atrocious then and it's atrocious now. There's almost something worse about zionst making it a business now. It's one thing to ethnically cleanse an area out of hatred, it's sick on a whole new level to try and turn a buck in the process.

1 Samuel 15 in the Old Testament describes this situation perfectly. According to the Bible God told Saul and the Israelites to destroy the Amalekites (a familiar term if you’ve listened to Israel refer to the Palestinians as “Amalek”) and all of their cattle as well.

“But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves[b] and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.”

Now this could be interpreted as a direct instruction not to profit from the conflict. Something Israel is planning on doing once the Palestinians have been removed from Gaza and they build luxury hotels on top of uncountable dead bodies of children. You could argue that even if you grant Israel religious justification for destruction of Gaza, they would not be granted religious justification for profiting from it.

It’s a pointless thing to bring up other than that I think it exposes this whole thing for the colonialist enterprise it really is, and calls into question how much religious belief is really driving the decision making over there.

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The US-led sanctions regime against Iraq in the 90s did lead to high rates of malnutrition and excess deaths, with Madeleine Albright publicly insisting that half a million dead children would be 'worth it'.

Two things: She wrote, "I had fallen into a trap and said something I did not mean", in her memoir. https://archive.org/details/madamsecretary00albr_0 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright#Sanctions_a... Tangentially related: On the other hand, several later surveys conducted during the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq (2003–2011) "all put the U5MR in Iraq during 1995–2000 in the vicinity of 40 per 1000," s…

She made a mistake by saying it, but she meant it for sure. "Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations."

I struggle to believe that cessation of food imports, medicines, medical equipment etc would have no impact on a country reliant on them, and can't see why these sanctions would be enacted in the first place if they were thought to have no effect.

I see no moral justification for using food as a weapon.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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If that solved the problem I would endorse it. I don't see how it does or how you do it. How do you get food to all of Gaza while there is raging fighting? The biggest problem is in Gaza city where there is intense fighting. The southern areas have a lot more food. How do we flood Gaza city with food? Ceasefire? We had one. Then what? Let's plan this in more detail. Who is going to distribute the food in Gaza? Who in…

> How do you get food to all of Gaza while there is raging fighting? Berlin airdrop and pile it up at the borders from trucks for starters. > southern areas have a lot more food But not enough. Start there. Also, if you make food plentiful enough in the south, it will find its way north. The point, again, isn't just to starve the famine. It's also to reduce the value of food as a recruiting tool. > How is the hostage…

Israel has piled it up on the border many times during the conflict.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/gaza-food-starvati...

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/07/24/un-refuses-to-cooper...

It's true that it's objectively hard to get the food from the border into e.g. Gaza city while a war is raging on. Israel has asked all civilians to evict Gaza city (basically for the entire duration of the war). Many people returned to Gaza city during the last ceasefire despite no green light from Israel. There is more food in the south and it's easier to get food into there.

There is an effort to get even more food into the south. For example World Central Kitchen is scaling up their operations there right now (with Israel's support). The GHF effort was also mostly focused on the south.

Air drops can't move in enough food. They're also dangerous.

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