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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by xg15 »

bawolff wrote: post #235

The missing part of this article: are the requests valid? Are they actually incitements to terrorism and violence or is it just a clamp down on criticism? The headline of the article implies the latter but the body does not provide any evidence for that. Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that. I would expect there to be quite a lot of incitement to violence related to that. I would expect the israel…

Depends what you consider "incitement". The IL government seems to go by "whoever is not for us is against us" logic:

> A Human Rights Watch (HRW) report investigating Meta’s moderation of pro-Palestine content post-October 7th found that, of 1,050 posts HRW documented as taken-down or suppressed on Facebook or Instagram, 1,049 involved peaceful content in support of Palestine, while just one post was content in support of Israel.

> Like there is a war going on, a pretty nasty one at that.

Sorry, but this is already part if the narrative. (Or rather the implication is that this would justify everything because wars seemingly have different rules. But if course only for one side) It's a "war" were one side inflicts 100 times as many casualties on one side than the other and still has no intention of stopping.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by xg15 »

bawolff wrote: post #258
janalsncm wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group, then in some sense you are asking the wrong question. In other words, for people who assume rule enforcement is supposed to be fair, they see unfair enforcement as hypocrisy. However, if you just see enforcement as another tool to wield against enemies, hypocrisy is irrelevant. What matters is power. It’s my basketball, I make the rules…

> If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group I'd agree. Is there any evidence that that is happening here? The article reports on israeli take down requests but does not report on take down requests from other groups. Meta could very well be using the same rules against pro-israel groups, we just dont know because the leak didn't include that information.

Read the article again. According to the whistleblowers, governments in general get privileged access vs regular users and Israel gets privileged access vs other governments:

> Governments and organizations, on the other hand, have privileged channels to trigger content review. Reports submitted through these channels receive higher priority and are almost always reviewed by human moderators rather than AI. Once reviewed by humans, the reviews are fed back into Meta’s AI system to help it better assess similar content in the future. While everyday users can also file TDRs, they are rarely acted upon. Government-submitted TDRs are far more likely to result in content removal.

Meta has overwhelmingly complied with Israel’s requests, making an exception for the government account by taking down posts without human reviews, according to the whistleblowers, while still feeding that data back into Meta’s AI.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

za3faran wrote: post #878
YZF wrote: post #844

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we changing the topic? This isn't a "who started" question. The assertion was that Palestinians are murdering Israeli civilians only because of how they're are treated in the West Bank and in Gaza. And that's somehow justified. My example shows this is clearly not true. Palestinians murdered Israeli civilians when the West Bank and Gaza were not even under Israeli control. And well before that as well. The co…

Poor Palestinians for defending themselves and their home land - maybe they should just sit and take it like the native populations in America, Canada, Australia, South Africa did. Shelomo Dov Goitein admits that the Jews lived best when they lived with Muslims (and under their protection). This "knew their place" is not true, go talk to Syrian Jews (there's an interview with one on youtube) on what it was like befor…

> Who gave the british the right to declare who has the right to live in land they stole?

It’s nuts, I agree. But it has to be understood that such authority is assumed, it isn’t granted, and the only way to refute it is to refute it. If nobody does that, the assumption of authority persists.

It is the basis for international relations. Authority is assumed under duress, it is never granted unless under duress.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by michaelsshaw »

int_19h wrote: post #827
michaelsshaw wrote: post #715

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You're right, Hamas should focus on uniform production(they wear uniform bandanas BTW, watch their videos) while Gaza has a higher proportion of destroyed buildings than Germany in ww2. You certainly got your priorities straight.

Not massacring civilians by the hundreds would be a good start.

And what about by the tens of thousands?

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Post by sieabahlpark »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

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Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by HDThoreaun »

throw310822 wrote: post #901
HDThoreaun wrote: post #895

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> What if Israel is dissolved and becomes a different state and Jews and Arabs are both unharmed and free to live in it? What if pigs fly? You know this was the original plan they tried right? > is Likud, Israel's ruling party, genocidal or not? I think they probably will be in the future, but right now they could be enacting a genocide and they are not. Hamas is unable to enact a genocide and empirically it really s…

> What if pigs fly? Oh why, do you think that people living together in peace and freedom is as physically impossible as pigs flying? Guess what, most people disagree with you, and that's why the protesters chant what they chant. And now disprove this. > I think [Likud] will probably be [genocidal] in the future So you tell me, pacific protesters chanting "from the river to the sea" are genocidal, while the party tha…

> Guess what, most people disagree with you, and that's why the protesters chant what they chant. And now disprove this.

And the protesters are naive idiots, which is why I called out the original comment.

> protesters chanting "from the river to the sea" are genocidal, while the party that has the same in its platform, has bombed tens of thousands of civilians and is colonising the West Bank, isn't?

Likud could be committing a genocide right now but they are not. Thats why I dont consider them genocidal right now, pretty simple. The side that actually uses the river to the sea chant with any regularity could not commit a genocide right now.

> So you tell me, pacific protesters chanting for freedom are genocidal, the prime minister bombing his neighbours and the president of the most powerful nation in the world declaring they want an ethnic cleansing do so just as a distraction?

Yes? Not sure why this is so hard to understand. Trump loves attention. When he isnt getting it he just says random shit that comes to mind until its back on him. The israeli government has not in any way endorsed trumps plans for what thats worth.

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Post by FireBeyond »

breppp wrote: post #632
someotherperson wrote: post #338

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This feels like a dog whistle rather than providing something substantive. The Israeli government also helped facilitate Qatar's support for Hamas[0], what's your point here? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas#Isra...

The Israeli government allowed transfer of Qatari money to Hamas as a mean to buy quiet, stemmed from the belief Hamas is a rational organization that strives to improve Palestinian life through its government of the Gaza Strip, an awful mistake. Qatar however is a supporter of the islamist Muslim Brotherhood ideology behind Hamas, financier and a host for most of its leadership. Furthermore involved in other terror…

> The Israeli government allowed transfer of Qatari money to Hamas as a mean to buy quiet, stemmed from the belief Hamas is a rational organization that strives to improve Palestinian life through its government of the Gaza Strip, an awful mistake.

Horseshit. Israeli support for Hamas increased as the PLA/PLO became much more moderate and looking for peaceable solutions.

Arafat and those organizations were absolutely responsible for many violent, reprehensible, terrorist acts.

For whatever reason, they became more willing to sit at the table and work toward reasonable peace.

To the Israeli hard right, this was an awkward position to be in. Because now they'd be seen as the intransigents, the unmoving, the ones unwilling to work toward peace.

So they started supporting Hamas, directly and indirectly, because Hamas did take a harder line, and was a more easily denounced group, much as the PLA/PLO of old.

This PR spin that "really, we hoped that Hamas wanted the best for everyone and they betrayed us all" is complete garbage.

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Post by someotherperson »

breppp wrote: post #877
someotherperson wrote: post #838

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So in your opinion Israel has planned on having Hamas massacre its citizens on this scale? The approach over the last decade or so was to keep that border quiet. Usually through economic means, the belief was the naive capitalist notion that lack of money creates evil (crime, war, etc) Contrary to the popular belief, Israel as evident in the multiple operations l/wars over a decade, did not want to capture the strip.…

It seems like trolls really enjoy misquoting me. I never said that, perhaps one of your colleagues here said that. You claimed that a human rights agency taking donations from Qatar makes them untrustworthy, but Israeli politicians on their knees literally begging Qatar[0] to finance their biggest domestic enemy somehow makes Israelis noble.

> Also, cult, really?

Considering your arguments will boil down to: UN is wrong, all human rights groups are wrong, all health agencies are wrong, the people living in Gaza et. al. are wrong, all of the media is wrong, all of Israel's neighbours are wrong, and that the only one who is right is the hyper-corrupt genocidal Israeli cabinet, then yes it's either a lack of knowledge or being part of a cult.

[0] Look, an actual Israeli source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-top-general-visit...

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Post by tehjoker »

wqaatwt wrote: post #883
tehjoker wrote: post #817

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The alternative is obvious: a single democratic state and the end of ethnosupremacy.

That’s not sustainable. Best outcome would be ending up like Lebanon. Besides Belgium (and that’s nowhere close) there are hardly any successful democracies that were evenly split primarily on ethno-religious grounds and didn’t entirely collapse on the first opportunity.

Lebanon is the way it is because the United States and Israel continuously sabotage its government to align with their interests.

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Post by DAGdug »

mmooss wrote: post #869
edanm wrote: post #624

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In what way is this a conspiracy theory or guilt by association? I don't think it is. (Except maybe the statement that he's an Israel citizen, though I think in this context it's a legit statement to make.) The parent post explicitly makes two separate statements - 1. that he's an Israeli citizen, and 2. that he has questionable morals. I don't necessarily agree with the second statement, but it's explicitly not sayi…

> In what way is this a conspiracy theory or guilt by association? I don't think it is. (Except maybe the statement that he's an Israel citizen, though I think in this context it's a legit statement to make.) Yes, the Israeli citizen comment. Obviously the comment is meant to criticize Rosen. Being an Israeli citizen is only a criticism by some conspiracy theory or guilt by association. Currently the GGP comment says…

“ I don't think it was there when I commented” Yes, it was there.
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