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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by rchaud »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #879
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #839

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Private capital. That detail seems to derail your whole comment.

> > Private capital Groupthink capital, directed by mostly 2 "thought leaders". Economies don't like Groupthink Capital, regardless of it being private, public or a combination of the 2 Of course the US economy as a whole is huge so even billions can be absorbed, once you start talking about half a trillion though...

Not to mention justifying further tax cuts for this tiny sliver of billionnaires so they can continue to "take risks to innovate".

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by daryl_martis »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

go to the uk. they have all the free abortions, genders, and education you could possibly want. apply for asylum since you're clearly afraid for your life.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by megous »

fallingknife wrote: post #843
pizzathyme wrote: post #834

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I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

This place seems to have been overwhelmed by bitterness and envy over the last 5 years or so.

Not envious of multi-billionaire's companies gathering capital, IP, knowledge and infrastructure for huge scale modern day private Stasi apparatuses. Just bitter.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by loandbehold »

biimugan wrote: post #867
Valakas_ wrote: post #856

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It's fascinating how most people still don't get it. ASI is basically a god. This is the ultimate solution (or problem). It will push us to the singularity, and create an utopia or drive humanity to extinction. Imagine someone who is so smart that would win every single nobel prize available, and make multiple discoveries in a matter of a year. And now multiply this person's intelligence by 100 (most likely more, but…

This type of comment is another thing I don't quite understand -- as if no one but AI proponents have heard of the Singularity. "There's no point in investing in anything else" is a very presumptive, fact-free idea. It's just begging the question. Many promising false starts have occurred in this area. Predictions from technologists such as Kurzweil have been wrong more than they've been right.

Kurzweil's predictions were spot on and stood the test of time. Sure you can nitpick some things that didn't happen but overall he was spot on. He was one on the first people who understood what became known as "scaling hypothesis".

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by talldayo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #860
CSSer wrote: post #622

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For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

> we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home I'd give the money to folks starting in the trades before bailling out the college-educated class. Also, wiping out numbers on a spreadsheet doesn't erect new homes. If we wiped out student debt, the portion of that value that went into new homeownership would principally fl…

It's a fair comparison. Stargate is fundamentally about two things - America's industry needs a cash injection, and we're choosing a completely hype-dominated vein to push the needle into.

Problem is, the parent comment is right. Even if you think student loan mitigation has washy economics behind it, the outcome is predictable and even desirable if you're playing the long-game in politics. If not that, spend $500,000,000,000 towards onshoring Apple and Microsoft's manufacturing jobs. Spend it re-invigorating America's mothballed motor industry and let Elon spec it out like a kid in a candy shop. Relative to AI, even student loan forgiveness and dumping money into trades looks attractive (not that Trump would consider either).

Nobody on HN should be confused by this. We know Sam Altman is a scammer (Worldcoin, anyone?) and we know OpenAI is a terrible business. This money is being deliberately wasted to keep OpenAI's lights on and preserve the Weekend At Bernie's-esque corpse that is America's "lead" in software technology. That's it. It's blatantly simple.

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Post by gmd63 »

akra wrote: post #909
pizzathyme wrote: post #834

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

Just my opinion/observation really but I believe its because people are implicitly entertaining the possibility that it is no longer about software or rather this announcement implicitly states that talent long term isn't the main advantage but instead hardware, compute, etc and most importantly the wealth and connections to gain access to large sums of capital. AI will enable capital/wealthy elite to have more of an…

Exactly as you say. AI is imagined to be the wealthy nepotist's escape pod from an equal playing field and democratized access to information. Win at all cost soulless predators who find infinite sacrifice somehow righteous love games like the ones that macro-scale AI creates.

The average person's utility from AI is marginal. But to a psychopath like Elon Musk who is interested in deceiving the internet about Twitter engagement or juicing his crypto scam, it's a necessary tool to create seas of fake personas.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by martythemaniak »

nerevarthelame wrote: post #274

March 2024: The Stargate project is announced - https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... June 2024: Oracle joins in - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/openai-to-use-oci... January 2025: Softbank provides additional funding, and they for some reason give credit to Trump?

> and they for some reason give credit to Trump?

Well, this one is really simple - nothing of note will happen in the US in the next four years without giving Trump credit for it, because if you don't he'll turn the full power of the state against you. And with no checks on his power, there's nothing to stop him. So yes, this has nothing to do with Trump, but if you don't want to get arrested and harassed, you better give him credit for it. Same playbook Elena Ceausescu used, except she did it just for scientific papers, Trump will do it for everything.

https://paperpile.com/blog/elena-ceausescu-scientist-fraud/

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Post by cpursley »

dbspin wrote: post #650
tim333 wrote: post #608

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>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

There's a terrifying amount of food insecurity and poverty in Russia - https://www.globalhungerindex.org/russia.html - https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/p...

Russia is a massive grain producer and exporter. One of their biggest health issues right now is obesity (from those cheap grains) with 60% of the adult population overweight, and growing. Furthermore, obesity has actually been an issue for their recruiting effort (there's a lot of running in war).

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Post by enraged_camel »

pizzathyme wrote: post #834
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I am surprised at the negativity from HN. Their clear goal is to build superintelligence. Listen to any of the interviews with Altman, Demis Hassabis, or Dario Amodei (Anthropic) on the purpose of this. They discuss the roadmaps to unlimited energy, curing disease, farming innovations to feed billions, permanent solutions to climate change, and more. Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup…

>> Does no one on HN believe in this anymore? Isn't this tech startup community meant to be the tip of the spear? We'll find out by 2030 either way.

I joined in 2012, and been reading since 2010 or so. The community definitely has changed since then, but the way I look at it is that it actually became more reasoned as the wide-eyed and naive teenagers/twenty-somethings of that era gained experience in life and work, learned how the world actually works, and perhaps even got burned a few times. As a result, today they approach these types of news with far more skepticism than their younger selves would. You might argue that the pendulum has swung too far towards the cynical end of the spectrum, but I think that's subjective.

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