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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kolinko »

elAhmo wrote: post #637
htrp wrote: post #415

> Apple Intelligence is free for users, and will be available in beta as part of iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia this fall in U.S. English. Some features, software platforms, and additional languages will come over the course of the next year. Apple Intelligence will be available on iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, and iPad and Mac with M1 and later, with Siri and device language set to U.S. English. For more i…

I am quite disappointed that 14 pro is not supported. So much power, but they decided to not support any of the older chips.

It’s a matter of RAM most likely - models require crazy amounts of ram, and I bet they had to struggle to fit them on 15’s pro 8GB.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kaba0 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #773
theshrike79 wrote: post #582

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Do you have proof otherwise? Compared to the competition, who openly use everything about you to build a profile.

The iPhone will let you install an app only if you tell Apple about it. It will let you get your location only if you also give that location to Apple. The only way to get true privacy is to give users control, which even Google-flavored Android builds provide more of than iOS.

> The iPhone will let you install an app only if you tell Apple about it

That’s not 100% true, and where it is, there is a good reason, and pretty much every other store does it (being able to revoke malware)

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by adrianmsmith »

windowshopping wrote: post #590
theshrike79 wrote: post #551

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From a user perspective it's 100% clear. If the system doesn't say "I'm gonna phone a friend to get an answer for this", it's going to stay either 100% local or at worst 100% within Apple Intelligence, which is audited to be completely private. So if you're asking for a recipe for banana bread, going to ChatGPT is fine. Sending more personal information might not be.

I just don't think the average user cares enough to want this extra friction. It's like if every time you ran a google search it gave you lower-quality results and you had to click a "Yes, give me the better content" option every time to get it to then display the proper results. It's just an extra step which people are going to get sick of very fast. You know what it's really reminiscent of? The EU cookies legislati…

It's interesting you phrase it that way, because that's sort of how DuckDuckGo works with their !g searches. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just an observation.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by suneater921 »

harry8 wrote: post #853
TreetopPlace wrote: post #522

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"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

> "I trust Apple..." I'm actually a little gobsmacked anyone on this forum can type those words without physically convulsing. The even more terrible part is I'm sure it's common. And so via network externalities the rest of us who do NOT trust any of these companies on the basis that all of them, time and again, have shown themselves to be totally untrustworthy in all possible ways, will get locked into this lunacy.…

Yeah, you’re right. Apple’s approach to privacy is like one of those fairytale genies. On paper, and in many technical aspects, class-leading, but useless because anyone powerful and/or determined enough to hurt you will be able to use the backdoors that they willingly provide.

End to end encryption? Sure, but we’re sending your location and metadata in unencrypted packets.

Don’t want governments to surveil your images? Sure, they can’t see the images - but they’ll send us hashes of illegal images, and we’ll turn your images into hashes, check them against each other, and report you to them if we find enough.

Apple essentially sells unbreakable locked doors while being very careful to keep a few windows open. They are a key PRISM member and have obligations under U.S. law that they will fulfil. Encryption backdoors aren’t needed when the systems that they work within can be designed to provide backdoors.

I fully expect that Apple Intelligence will have similar system defects that won’t be covered properly, and will go forgotten until some dissident gets killed and we wonder why.

For a look at their PR finesse in tricking media, see this, over the CSAM fiasco that has been resolved, in Apple’s favour.

https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by intended »

nerdjon wrote: post #220

Said this in the other thread, but I am really bothered that image generation is a thing but also that it got as much attention as it did. I am worried about the reliability, if you are relying on it giving important information without checking the source (like a flight) than that could lead to some bad situations. That being said, the polish and actual usefulness of these features is really interesting. It may not…

They hid the workaround for this - it’s going to be available in US english first, and then other locations over the coming year.

This can be never. LLMs fail fast as you move away from high resourced languages.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by bayindirh »

TreetopPlace wrote: post #522
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

When enrolling physical security keys to my accounts, only Google's process requested extra, identifiable fields in my key, generating a warning in Firefox, which can anonymize these fields.

Google wants to track even my physical security key across sites to track me.

How can I trust their AI systems with my data?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Almondsetat »

sensanaty wrote: post #909
rising-sky wrote: post #674

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You could say the same thing for sending a Happy Birthday text, versus a hand written letter or card. Nothing is stopping a person from sending the latter today, and yes they are more appreciated, but people also appreciate the text. For example, if you're remote and perhaps don't have that deep of a relationship with them

If a friend of mine sent me some AI generated slop for my birthday I'd be more offended than if they just sent me a text that only contains the letters "hb"

Birthday cards are slop too

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dgellow »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

We will see, in practice Siri has been pretty much useless even if hyped in demos. I keep pretty low expectations

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sc077y »

Impressive not technically because nothing here is new but because it's the first real implementation for the average end consumers of "ai". You have semantic indexing which allows series to basically retrieve context for any query. You have image gen which gives you emojigen or messaging using genAI images. TextGen within emails. UX is world class as usual.

However, The GPT integration feels forced and even dare I say unnecessary. My guess is that they really are interested in the 4o voice model, and they're expecting openAI to remain the front runner in the ai race.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sc077y »

davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

I'm skeptical of the on-device AI. They crave edge compute but I'm doubtful their chips can handle a 7B param model. Maybe ironically with Microsoft's phi 3 mini 4k you can run this stuff on a cpu but today it's no where near good enough.
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