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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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We're not allowed to "eat the rich" anymore because of the repressive nature of the neo-liberal system, so incidents like this one where not one, but two billionaires find their gruesome death is the closest to a Middle Ages egalitarian-imposing peasant revolt that we could ever get. Sucks for the 19-year old kid involved in all this, that I agree with.

> Sucks for the 19-year old kid involved in all this, that I agree with. the 19 year old was rich too, shouldn't you be celebrating?

Actually, you're right, I'm not celebrating but at 19 years of age he could of said no, he didn't.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

#912

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We're not allowed to "eat the rich" anymore because of the repressive nature of the neo-liberal system, so incidents like this one where not one, but two billionaires find their gruesome death is the closest to a Middle Ages egalitarian-imposing peasant revolt that we could ever get. Sucks for the 19-year old kid involved in all this, that I agree with.

What a ghoulish take

The ghoulish take are the 110,000 deaths of despair recorded in the US between February 2021 and February of 2022. The ghoulish take is this 19-year old kid from Chicago [2], definitely not a billionaire's son, saying how most of his friends and male acquaintances are usually gone by the age of 21.

[1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-physical-p...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycOUwMJmTVM&t=134s

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison. barf.

To be pedantic, it was immigrants, not refugees. It is unnecessary sensationalisation to claim they were refugees. Unless of course in your point of view anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with.

> anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with.

Um that's literally the definition of a refugee. Or perhaps your definition of "problems" needs clarifying?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/refugee

https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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I don't understand why they didn't just drop it to the bottom of the ocean without people hundred times to see if it still holds. Who experiments with a crew in the age of remote control sensors and computers?

I think they just didn't think there hull design would implode. In there minds the worst case is, they're stuck in deep ocean for a few hours until the backup dissolvable weights fall off and they pop back up to the surface (and then hopefully located). From what I've read, in there minds there hull design was the best part of the sub. I inclined to believe he believed it, since the CEO frequently dove in it.

> I think they just didn't think there hull design would implode.

Even the diver that piloted it imagined at least one way how it could implode (window).

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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I'm curious if the window remained intact. This seemed like a logical failure point.

My guess would be that the window wasn't the failure point, assuming that pressure hull was indeed found in many pieces. If the window did go first, the pressure delta on the rest of the hull immediately begins to equalize, so the amount of force the hull is under immediately goes down, making failure of the hull instantly less likely. The inertia of all the water rapidly entering the vessel might do some damage, but…

If the window failed the sheer momentum of inrushing water would probably blow the opposite cap out. Or even tear the whole thing to pieces.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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To be pedantic, it was immigrants, not refugees. It is unnecessary sensationalisation to claim they were refugees. Unless of course in your point of view anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with.

> anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with. Um that's literally the definition of a refugee. Or perhaps your definition of "problems" needs clarifying? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/refugee https://www.unrefugees.org/refugee-facts/what-is-a-refugee/

  Forced to flee  
Were the pakistanis forced to flee, or chose to do so ?

Other definitions range from :

  a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.  
to

  A refugee, conventionally speaking, is a person who has lost the protection of his or her country of origin and who cannot or is unwilling to return there due to well-founded fear of persecution.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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To be pedantic, it was immigrants, not refugees. It is unnecessary sensationalisation to claim they were refugees. Unless of course in your point of view anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with.

I would argue paying a smuggler between $1,000 and $8,600 (quick google search) to hopefully get you across the sea (instead of selling you in a slave market) is a risk most people living in adequate conditions are not willing to take.

I did not claim that they lived in adequate conditions. I claimed that they were not forced to leave or that they did not have an immediate threat to their life. There are different terms for a reason. Because they are different things. Are pakistani people leaving their country the same as Syrians fleeing a warzone ?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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post #748

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600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison. barf.

Both media reports are vanity. They don't impact the reader, don't change society and have no repercussions. Both are read for (different) emotional value. People don't change their life or opinion because of either of them.

I think people focus too much on media reporting in this thread. The resources allocated for this rescue operation vs for the refugee boat is much more poignant.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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post #852

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Does he ever explain why carbon fiber and bluetooth were improvements over working technology?

I remember seeing a claim that the Bluetooth part was a feature since you could just "pass the controller" inside the cabin but I haven't been able to find a source for it. As for the carbon fibre: > OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush says the company had been evaluating the potential of using a carbon fiber composite hull since 2010, primarily because it permits creation of a pressure vessel that is naturally buoyant and,…

> I remember seeing a claim that the Bluetooth part was a feature since you could just "pass the controller" inside the cabin but I haven't been able to find a source for it.

Here: https://youtu.be/ClkytJa0ghc?t=40

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

#920
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The grown ups involved in that who didn't pay heed to warnings would be reckless. We still rescue them but we can charge those who can pay for it.

And the 19 year old who didn't want to go on the submarine but wanted to spend time with his dad? Was he reckless? Was he worth searching for?

> We still rescue them

We still rescue them. I never argued against rescuing them.

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