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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Post by moe091 » Mon, Jan 09, 2023, 4:45 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #329

moe091 wrote: post #31

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If it's such a good deal they should have no problem finding plenty of employees for those jobs. If Gen Z is opposed to those kind of working conditions for some reason, then it's just a matter of supply and demand - like how trash collectors get paid a lot for a relatively low-skilled labor job, because not many people want to deal with trash all day. Whether we share the same aversion Gen Z does for certain types o…

Trash collecting is a much more a cushy job in most cities these days. In mine they don't ever leave the truck. One guy drives, the other operates the hydraulic arm. If a piece of trash isn't in the bin or the bin is not grababble by the arm, they just drive away. A different team handles bulky items that are to be called in by the resident. Benefits include an actual pension.

yeah I was thinking the same thing as I wrote it actually, but went with that example anyway as it's a typical example for a job that pays more because of a lower supply of people willing to do it. Could've used those ice-road truckers or deep sea fisherman or some other risky job as a more clear-cut example, but I think any example works to demonstrate the point

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Post by switch007 » Mon, Jan 09, 2023, 6:39 PM UTC

balls187 wrote: post #906

switch007 wrote: post #875

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But the young earn less. That’s a very weak attempt at justifying high “cost of living”. And what a euphemistic word that is. It’s the cost of greed, not the cost of living. Too many ills in this world are the result of older generations’ greed. And I could also say your opinion of gen z is also equally influenced by social media.

I'm assuming you're not from the US, right? Cost of Living is a standard used in the US, and it's not uncommon for annual raises to, at the very least, include a "cost of living" adjustment.

Thanks for ‘splaining but I know what it means and how it’s used in the US. Though here on the other side of the pond, until very recently, we didn’t use such euphemisms. We just referred to various indexes produced by the Office of National Statistics such as RPI, CPI. Our media has recently adopted the silly euphemistic term and is currently shoving it down everyone’s throats. It’s a a nice redirection from the issue of companies raising prices and capitalism to “oh well it’s just the normal state of affairs of living”

Also, you really think people have to be from the US to understand such simple concepts?

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Post by balls187 » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 6:00 PM UTC

switch007 wrote: post #912

balls187 wrote: post #906

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I'm assuming you're not from the US, right? Cost of Living is a standard used in the US, and it's not uncommon for annual raises to, at the very least, include a "cost of living" adjustment.

Thanks for ‘splaining but I know what it means and how it’s used in the US. Though here on the other side of the pond, until very recently, we didn’t use such euphemisms. We just referred to various indexes produced by the Office of National Statistics such as RPI, CPI. Our media has recently adopted the silly euphemistic term and is currently shoving it down everyone’s throats. It’s a a nice redirection from the iss…

Your previous comment suggests you actually didn't know about Cost of Living (that or you don't know what a euphemism is)

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Post by XorNot » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 12:45 AM UTC

boppo1 wrote: post #800

XorNot wrote: post #344

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On an adjacent note, I'm really tired of the "underwater basket weaving" short hand being used. There's either a real degree you think is useless (which the above thread notes doesn't look nearly so useless by statistics) or there's not. There's a fairly long history of people inventing what they think is taught at colleges as a straw man to then criticize them in some way and it doesn't contribute to anything for th…

At the college I went to (low-mid tier state uni) the Art History degree was basically a degree in social justice and feminism. I had close friends in that program and some other humanities and was able to observe the curriculum. The stuff you expect to learn was a tiny fraction. Hell, I audited the main American art course. We spent multiple weeks on indigenous textiles and pottery (not quite baskets I guess), multi…

All of this is a class about an Art History degree. You know what that isn't? A STEM degree.

How many jobs there are which require a knowledge of "American Sculpture"?

It's going to be less then the number which require a knowledge of the history of feminism and social justice.

Which is to say, by making the changes you are implying should be made...you'd probably be more unemployable at the end of it because their ain't that many museums.

Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z

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Post by dools » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 7:19 AM UTC

TapWaterBandit wrote: post #779

smabie wrote: post #717

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How much do they get paid?

6 figure salaries are very common from a reasonably young age. Very strong trades unions.

Unions aren't even the half of it, they're just so in demand.

Strong bank profitability and lending are basically the bedrock of our economy, people's homes have appreciated so much they're able to borrow obscene amounts to renovate, and the construction industry as a result is incredibly strong.