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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by dang » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:23 AM UTC

toss1 wrote: post #839

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> every single HN post that opposed CCP actions gets resistance from the handful of guaranteed downvotes to verbose advocacy That is so extremely far from the case that I think it may be a classic example of the notice-dislike bias ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... ).

Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them co…

> It has just jumped out at me

I don't mean to pile on, but this is exactly the point: what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable. If you had the opposite preference, opposite stuff would jump out. The effect that this has is very strong, and the conclusions it produces are completely unreliable. (I'm talking about all of us here, not you personally!)

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by noisy_boy » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:31 AM UTC

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Even imagining this is suffocating for someone who hasn't grown up in such a system.

Ha! What do you think whatsapp is?

I get it. But atleast I'm not living in fear of my family being put in jail due to some offhand remark on a WhatsApp group (not saying that is not a possibility in future due to how things are turning around the world).

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by ridiculous_leke » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:53 AM UTC

doodlebugging wrote: post #251

For Chinese students studying in the US in the time after Tiananmen Square massacre this is nothing new. I was in grad school before and after the event and there were a large number of Chinese students in my department, geoscience. At my university it was probably true at the time that around half of the grad students in geosciences were Chinese. I came to know several of them, though not to the point of knowing any…

That's unfortunate but a clear example of the impacts a police state can have.

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Post by kmonsen » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:54 AM UTC

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Texas does not have a special one country, two systems status and Hong Kong does until 2047. The fact that the communist party completely ignores this fact does not make it go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was trying to make my comment specifically about secession - debunking the notion that Hong Kong is not part of China. The HK Basic Law, the same document that guarantees the "One country, two systems" approach, starts with the sentence "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is an inalienable part of the People's Republic of China." I agree that the mainland government acted…

I think people have a right to self determination. If Texas wants to secede please go ahead and do so.

Same for Catalonia, Hong Kong or any other.

Not saying it is a thing that should be done lightly, but also not impossible.

Countries exists for the people, not the other way round like China likes to think.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by ktln2 » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 4:57 AM UTC

Purdue Pro-CCP Chinese students responding to the statement:

https://www.change.org/p/purdue-university-call-for-mitch-da...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by catinbasement » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 5:05 AM UTC

nneonneo wrote: post #877

kmonsen wrote: post #865

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Texas does not have a special one country, two systems status and Hong Kong does until 2047. The fact that the communist party completely ignores this fact does not make it go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was trying to make my comment specifically about secession - debunking the notion that Hong Kong is not part of China. The HK Basic Law, the same document that guarantees the "One country, two systems" approach, starts with the sentence "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is an inalienable part of the People's Republic of China." I agree that the mainland government acted…

Nations are made by wars, not "Basic Laws". Read the history. Whether HK is a nation or not depends on how strong their people's will is to not be Chinese and to go to war for it - "Would rather be annihilated than being Chinese." Apparently they don't have it, but the jury of History might still be out.

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Post by rnjesus » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

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> Getting the actual opinion of anyone in China ... is very difficult. Is it really that different in America (or the "west" in general)? Most of us have become very guarded in what opinions we share in the past few years.

That’s because people are aiming for single party control right now, in the US. The difference is that expressing an opinion to another American abroad just means you cant sleep with them. It doesn't cause the federal or municipal police to track down your family for intimidation, or the private sector to galvanize excision of them either. For the individual that voiced there is just a small risk of being disassociat…

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Post by TechBro8615 » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 6:00 AM UTC

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This is how 40-50% of America feels now , btw. Many of us are silent because we know that any view right of the orthodoxy can lead to negative social and career repercussions.

And what is "the orthodoxy" in say Dallas, or Cheyenne?

I’ve got no clue, I don’t live there. For all intents and purposes I live online, where investors and employers and colleagues are all hyper aware of what I say. That’s why I had to make an alt to even post what I actually think on this website.

(Note that people with beliefs on the other side of the spectrum do not feel the need to make pseudonymous accounts to post their opinions. Frankly this should tell you all you need to know. I call this liberal privilege.)

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Post by exabrial » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 6:12 AM UTC

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That's been my experience too. When traveling to China, we were given a class and they advised us to not discuss any politics, even American ones, overseas. Other items that were "off topic" including voting, rights for non-traditional lifestyles, abortion, death penalties, taxes, and discussions about world conflicts.

Abortion world be on the list of taboo topics when touring the US as well. Not because it's sensitive everywhere, but because it's very sensitive in some places.

Sort of, you can talk freely in America about abortion without fear of death; we're literally doing it right now.

I think what you're referring to what is socially appropriate. Most of these topics would be poor taste to discuss in public, but the mere act of doing so wouldn't land you in the back of a windowless van, which is the difference.

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Post by PastelDeNata » Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 6:32 AM UTC

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I don't think jumping down someone's throat for innocent ignorance is too productive. And speaking as someone who has lived in China, their misconceptions of the West are comically bad as well. That's what you get with state controlled media and people learning about the West by watching Friends or Transformers.

> And speaking as someone who has lived in China, their misconceptions of the West are comically bad as well.

Not sure who you met, but a typical young person in China (aged under 40) would know more about the West than a young person in the West would know about China. Young people in China also know how to use VPNs to bypass the 'Great Firewall' to find whatever information they require.