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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by edoceo » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

rackjack wrote: post #747

ilamont wrote: post #330

In 2019, Frances Hui, a student at Emerson College in Boston, wrote an opinion piece for the student newspaper titled "I am from Hong Kong, not China” (1) and she was subjected to doxxing and death threats: The most jarring comment came from a Chinese student at Emerson, who made Hui’s personal Facebook posts public. In one post, he wrote a comment that translates to: “Whomever opposes my greatest China, no matter ho…

The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

> use our own greed against us

It's terrible but, it's brilliant too. Like, I don't like it but it's also amazing. It makes a confounding effect on how I should feel about these things.

It's like, don't hate the player, hate the game? I do hate the game tho.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by vmception » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:05 PM UTC

commandlinefan wrote: post #780

vmception wrote: post #190

Getting the actual opinion of anyone in China (or Hong Kong if you’re a worker and well integrated) is very difficult. There is a lot of reading between the lines necessary because of the network of reporting from other Chinese that’s worldwide. Note: those actual opinions are not necessarily “life is baaaad what a niiightmare”, they can be quite nuanced just like anywhere else. Something as simple as “I kind of like…

> Getting the actual opinion of anyone in China ... is very difficult. Is it really that different in America (or the "west" in general)? Most of us have become very guarded in what opinions we share in the past few years.

That’s because people are aiming for single party control right now, in the US.

The difference is that expressing an opinion to another American abroad just means you cant sleep with them. It doesn't cause the federal or municipal police to track down your family for intimidation, or the private sector to galvanize excision of them either. For the individual that voiced there is just a small risk of being disassociated with the person you said something to, and if it was digital there is a small risk of getting fired or disassociated from institutions you were a part of. Very small risk. Maybe greater over the following decade, for something you said now.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by exclusiv » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

gkop wrote: post #686

exclusiv wrote: post #661

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Those students are meaningless to Purdue financially. They can replace those students in a heartbeat.

Please respond to my points. Prices are discovered on the margin, so losing a significant chunk of the students that pay full tuition, could certainly destabilize the market and cause challenges for university administrators. Ok, say Purdue eats the acquisition cost to replace the 200 students. Those new students now need to be replaced by whatever school they would have otherwise attended, they have to come from som…

Acquisition cost is zero at this point - there are wait lists and no shortage of talented people from other countries that would love to go to Purdue or any other comparable school. They can also easily pull from the out of state basket. Also, you have to account for financial repercussions if they do nothing.

> There exists some tipping point at which the system could unravel, maybe not 200 students but some number of students.

Perhaps, but again 200 students is inconsequential to Purdue as I stated. They have the ability to replace instantly and they have a > $2.5 billion endowment.

The system would unravel due to overextension of loans and people deciding it's not worth it to take the debt on that they have been doing. That's the unravel risk. And it would hit the low tier schools anyway.

What Purdue or others with similar challenges cannot do, is nothing. Not everyone gives a shit about appeasing China. Maybe LeBron, the NBA and some other organizations care because it has been all about the $ for them. But things are changing. Women's Tennis is standing up. Biden making a statement regarding Olympics. Not many examples out there but they're becoming more frequent.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by hackerfromthefu » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #741

throw10920 wrote: post #665

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Interesting. Does this make every Chinese citizen in the United States an agent of a foreign power? (I suspect the answer is yes) https://definitions.uslegal.com/a/agent-of-a-foreign-power/

Only those who follow through with it.

.. so their parents don't get 'dissapeared'

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by paxys » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

chmod600 wrote: post #779

chernevik wrote: post #479

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Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"

Does that mean freedom is self-defeating? It comes down to a simple formula: are people learning and appreciating freedom faster than it's being diluted by people who are ignorant or disdainful of freedom? There's no fundamental reason one rate must remain above the other. Education, immigration trends, business, and culture all play a part. But once the anti-freedom are greater in number than the pro-freedom, then f…

Yes, it is. We all like to believe in ideals like turn the other cheek, take the high road, welcome opposing views no matter how extreme etc. Looking back through human history though, the only way to combat intolerance has been to be intolerant yourself. Freedoms need to be defended, sometimes with blood. Look at WW2 for example. Appeasement didn't go very far, direct action did.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by theduder99 » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

rackjack wrote: post #763

frakkingcylons wrote: post #736

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I’ve had regular contact with my relatives in FJ during the pandemic and there’s no lack of complaints. So I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Most Americans who do not have relatives in China think it is almost literally 1984.

oh you mean like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by christophilus » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:13 PM UTC

vaxman wrote: post #637

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Do we? We need to keep Taiwan out of the PRC’s control. To do otherwise means that China effectively controls the most important Asian trading routes. Japan and Korea would be in a totally different power structure than the one they’re in today.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Kim_Bruning » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

quartz wrote: post #66

fefe23 wrote: post #8

I find it highly entertaining that they talk about denying rights and then deny the whole of the EU access because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU.

I feel like you've got that backwards: making the site available if it violates GDPR would be violating your rights. Making the site unavailable to you is respecting them. That's not to mention that what's much more likely here is that a student focused and student run campus newspaper in West Lafayette, IN likely just considers the EU out of scope of their audience vs the cost of figuring out if they're GDPR complia…

I'm not sure that computes for me. Can you explain in more detail how refusing service outright is better than providing ethical service?

To trigger GDPR, you need to be collecting PII (of EU citizens).

What interest would a student focused and student run campus newspaper in West Lafayette, IN have in people's PII (let alone the PII of European Citizens) in the first place, and why would they be collecting it?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by nickff » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:23 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #801

rackjack wrote: post #747

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The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

> use our own greed against us It's terrible but, it's brilliant too. Like, I don't like it but it's also amazing. It makes a confounding effect on how I should feel about these things. It's like, don't hate the player, hate the game? I do hate the game tho.

Well, the old saying was that the communists would hang the capitalists with rope sold by the latter to the former. It seems like the capitalists always seem to keep ahead of the communists though.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/02/22/rope/

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Kim_Bruning » Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:25 PM UTC

kasey_junk wrote: post #182

oakfr wrote: post #92

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The “cost” of being GDPR compliant is negligible if you simply put static content on your website and don’t track users.

It’s also negligible if you block EU access. The people that own the content get to decide which approach to take. I for one am a little tired of EU citizens telling me something doesn’t have compliance costs when I’ve been in the room when outside counsel couldn’t agree if a brochure ware site was compliant because the logs contained IP addresses. You may wish that the regulations didn’t make the choice of blocking…

GDPR seems straight up common sense to me, but ...

At times it seems like the common sense behind the GDPR is not -in fact- entirely common to American (lawyers) somehow.

That can't be entirely true though, since some US states seem to have been considering similar laws recently.

Color me confused by it all. (see also an earlier comment I made in a similar conversation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29126413 )