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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:59 PM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #752

asabjorn wrote: post #739

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Do you have a counter argument? Do you think such a person should be trusted or do you think this is not how the activism works? If it’s about my comment on trust: You are welcome to trust someone that use these power tactics based upon lies to undermine the moral authority of viewpoint opponents, I just believe there are so many people of better character out there to build a relationship with. Social justice tactic…

I don't have a counter-argument because having one would require accepting your premise. Your hair is a bird.

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by mbg721 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

javagram wrote: post #910

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #795

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Biden said "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-po... Everyone says something they immediately regret.

Trump never regretted what I quoted. He was asked to apologize and refused. Biden saying something positive about poor minority children being equal to whites is a bizarre comparison.

The complaint is that Biden, by using "white" and "poor" as opposites, is fueling class-warfare with skin color as a flimsy proxy.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by javagram » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

charlesu wrote: post #800

javagram wrote: post #782

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Feels like it would be very weird to ask someone if they are a recent immigrant (there are millions of African Americans who immigrated to the USA post 1965 or are children of those immigrants) or an ADOS to decide whether you should label them “Black” or “black”. I’ll say whatever someone prefers though. Capitalizing “w” in white is a bit creepy to me though and has echoes of promoting the idea that all “whites” are…

Why would you need to label someone by their ethnicity in daily life? This stuff really only comes up in two situations: 1. Forms where the person in question just fills it in themselves (generally the option is Black/African anyway) 2. Discussions about groups of people in which case the labels are descriptive and fairly easy to navigate.

1. Absolutely

2. Usually the discussion or writing would not be limited to ADOS. I’ve very rarely seen writers attempt to divide the community like that. As I said though, I’m fine with capitalizing it if that community wants it.

You could make a lot of the same statements about “whites” becoming one community in america. That said I don’t think capitalizing the W looks good, it’s weird and seems like something a white supremacist would do.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by javagram » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

dools wrote: post #866

javagram wrote: post #370

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Of course "reverse racism" exists (although, it certainly may be much less of a problem in the USA than non "reverse" racism). Discriminating against someone because of their race because you believe their racial group or background is privileged is still racism and the application of a stereotype. Just because they're White, Hispanic, or Asian (depending on the type of "reverse racism" we're talking about here) shou…

"The currently dominant creed" would be ... urr ... white christians.

Not in my experience in the workplace. Your mileage may vary, but I’ve never been preached to about Christianity in my work experience. Meanwhile there are usually plenty of meetings and group emails about stuff like diversity, people openly express their support of Democratic politicians or hate toward republican politicians, etc.

If someone at my work stated in a meeting they don’t believe in Christianity I would never expect them to be fired, if they stated that about DEI or even disagreeing with a specific DEI strategy or tactic of the company, i’d expect trouble. If someone has a dissenting opinion there they need to keep quiet for their own good, as this guy at basecamp learned.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #889

t0mbstone wrote: post #835

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But isn't your restriction of my language and how I refer to the people I love pretty much the opposite of "inclusion"? What if my wife would prefer if I referred to her as my "wife" instead of as a generic, faceless "partner"? By insisting that I refer to her as a genderless "partner", you are failing to respect her chosen pronoun.

This is almost certainly for product or marketing materials, and not for you talking about your personal relationships. That is Okta should not talk about building a security tool for you and your wife to use, but instead for you and your partner to use. Because I have no clue who your partner is (or really if you have one) so I shouldn't assume until I have that information. Note that the words in the example are al…

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by javagram » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

mbg721 wrote: post #912

javagram wrote: post #910

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Trump never regretted what I quoted. He was asked to apologize and refused. Biden saying something positive about poor minority children being equal to whites is a bizarre comparison.

The complaint is that Biden, by using "white" and "poor" as opposites, is fueling class-warfare with skin color as a flimsy proxy.

Your own link says “ The former vice president's campaign said he "misspoke and immediately corrected himself" during remarks about leveling the playing field for low-income students.”

Biden is known to have a stutter and to misspeak frequently. There is no comparable issue to be found here.

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/04/480714972/trump-presses-case-...

> Trump made the remarks, and others like it, repeatedly, in interviews with CNN and The Wall Street Journal, referring to Judge Curiel variously as "of Mexican heritage" or just "Mexican." But the message was always the same, that the judge had what Trump called "a conflict" because of his ethnicity.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #889

t0mbstone wrote: post #835

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't your restriction of my language and how I refer to the people I love pretty much the opposite of "inclusion"? What if my wife would prefer if I referred to her as my "wife" instead of as a generic, faceless "partner"? By insisting that I refer to her as a genderless "partner", you are failing to respect her chosen pronoun.

This is almost certainly for product or marketing materials, and not for you talking about your personal relationships. That is Okta should not talk about building a security tool for you and your wife to use, but instead for you and your partner to use. Because I have no clue who your partner is (or really if you have one) so I shouldn't assume until I have that information. Note that the words in the example are al…

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #752

asabjorn wrote: post #739

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a counter argument? Do you think such a person should be trusted or do you think this is not how the activism works? If it’s about my comment on trust: You are welcome to trust someone that use these power tactics based upon lies to undermine the moral authority of viewpoint opponents, I just believe there are so many people of better character out there to build a relationship with. Social justice tactic…

I don't have a counter-argument because having one would require accepting your premise. Your hair is a bird.

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

etchalon wrote: post #752

asabjorn wrote: post #739

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a counter argument? Do you think such a person should be trusted or do you think this is not how the activism works? If it’s about my comment on trust: You are welcome to trust someone that use these power tactics based upon lies to undermine the moral authority of viewpoint opponents, I just believe there are so many people of better character out there to build a relationship with. Social justice tactic…

I don't have a counter-argument because having one would require accepting your premise. Your hair is a bird.

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by mbg721 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

javagram wrote: post #916

mbg721 wrote: post #912

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaint is that Biden, by using "white" and "poor" as opposites, is fueling class-warfare with skin color as a flimsy proxy.

Your own link says “ The former vice president's campaign said he "misspoke and immediately corrected himself" during remarks about leveling the playing field for low-income students.” Biden is known to have a stutter and to misspeak frequently. There is no comparable issue to be found here. https://www.npr.org/2016/06/04/480714972/trump-presses-case-... > Trump made the remarks, and others like it, repeatedly, in in…

I am not the OP, but still, "Biden is known to misspeak frequently" is an exceedingly charitable way to say "He's a gaffe machine." Stutters and similar disorders have nothing to do with it.