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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by coldtea »

coldtea wrote: post #901
shadow28 wrote: post #777

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You just pulled that number out of your ass, didn't you?

Andrea Ricciardi, Professor of Hygiene and adviser to the Ministry of Health: "The most frightening point is the pitted figures on how much the virus can spread. the curves of the graphs elaborated by the epidemiologists and not only in Italy: according to the models, it could strike until 60% of the population, which means that according to the mortality rates there could be a million deaths only in Italy." Feel hap…

Here's another, this time for the US:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/up-to-150-million-americans-...

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by PeterStuer »

dx034 wrote: post #566
PeterStuer wrote: post #107

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You seem to forget that the ECB is there for the banks, not for the people or their countries.

The ECB can (and has in the past) given out cheap money under the condition that this is used for loans. They could do that again easily.

Loans to companies to buy back their own stock. XD

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by mancerayder »

jdietrich wrote: post #750
Thlom wrote: post #500

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And you have millions without basic access to healthcare, meaning they will go around untreated passing the virus along to their fellow citizens.

Also no statutory entitlement to sick pay, so many people will drag themselves into work because they can't afford to take time off.

And also unpredictable and variable (and delayed) medical bills for those who don't have great employer-provided healthcare (and even sometimes when they do).

The stories abound of a hospital visit with a magical bill that appears months later with some unpaid sum that's in the 4 digits. Everyone knows someone who this happened to - I happened to know a couple who received a 5-digit bill for a baby who died many many months later. Now, as a rational person you're not going to go to an ER willy nilly, and sometimes an ER is what you get pointed to by smaller medical centers.

The U.S. medical model doesn't work - for the group. It works - for the individual. I had superb eye surgery recently from a top world center and it was fully paid. But the viruses don't care if one of us can afford care, and the other can't, because the virus views us as a singular organism, and now we're all at risk. Which is exactly how the health system should begin viewing us.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by atleta »

cellular wrote: post #282
atleta wrote: post #212

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I wouldn't call it a psychosis, because in this case people are right. If you look at the numbers [1] it went 10x in 10 days in Italy. Despite the counter measures. Now it's only 7.3k if the efficiency of the counter measures don't increase, it will be 73k in 10 days, 730k in 20 and probably 7M in a month. With 20% requiring hospitalization. Which simply cannot be managed at this scale. (Probably not even at the 730k…

I don't feel it was transmitted 10x in ten days. Those people were already infected. Otherwise, you'd have to wait a couple weeks for them to become symptomatic to know to test them. (Unless they are testing everybody, and the 10x included people that weren't symptomatic).

You are right, they were infected a few days before (I think 6.6 on average). But still, the growth was 10x in ten days as you can see on the graphs. It's just that the measurements are always a few days behind the real numbers. In other words, there is a delay in the system, but it does not change the shape of the graph, it simply shifts it right (towards the future) on the time axis.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by LoSboccacc »

ithkuil wrote: post #629
LoSboccacc wrote: post #560

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most people outside of the previous red zone is uncaring about the new emergency restrictions step 1 should have been to bring military in the streets to enforce the thing, because police is both decimated by the virus and overwhelmed from the new responsibilities and cannot handle what's happening

perhaps there is no need to go to extremes. Where I live I already have to provide my babysitter a signed letter where I certify that she comes to work here. She's from a different township (comune) and the police could fine her if caught without that document. It's not going to stop 100% of people from moving around, but even it this reduces the spread by a few % it's already a big improvement; even reducing the dai…

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/europe/italy-military-cor...

so I guess I was right since the beginning

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