Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

Post by brokenmachine » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 1:30 AM UTC

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I'm not OP, but even if a test drive went perfectly, I would remain worried about the chance of the car randomly killing me for some stupid edge case reason. Maybe not today, not tommorrow, but maybe six months in the future when the weather and road conditions happen to be just precisely right to confuse the system at just the most dangerous time. In the meantime I will just read/watch the stories of people more tru…

Again, going back to: see if for yourself. Experience it. Then have an opinion, otherwise it’s like reading about NYC and saying you hate it because you read the reviews.

Post by scep12 » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 3:55 AM UTC

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I would not be quick to make assumptions like this. He could have experienced the issue like 1/20 times, and intended to remind himself to watch out when he gets to that spot. And maybe he forgot this time. It’s easy to get into a trance on long repetitive drives. It isn’t like he immediately did back to back drives and changed nothing the second time. And that’s the problem with an “autopilot 99.9% of the time, but…

Which is why Waymo never released half self driving technology, their early tests showed that even if they told Google engineers that they were being recorded and they'd be fired if they didn't watch the road, in a few weeks a lot of them trusted the software too much

Post by dkonofalski » Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 8:47 PM UTC

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What? That's not at all what I'm doing and you're being extremely disingenuous to suggest that. I'm simply correcting misinformation. The car wasn't programmed to drive through anything. It was programmed to throw away information. Either way, it's an atrocious mistake and I've even said, elsewhere in these comments, that the people responsible for that code should be held liable for criminal negligence. There's no n…

I have misunderstood you then, and I apologize.

Post by asdff » Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 6:13 AM UTC

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Or set the clock right and invest in road diets and protected bus lanes. These are solutions that any city can implement but doesn't, because they aren't politically agreeable to local electorates. Nearly all american metros were laid out around the street car, anyway.

Those pesky local electorates. Always stopping progress. Maybe, just maybe, the majority of people who live in those cities like the way they're arranged?

Post by johnjungles » Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 11:37 PM UTC

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It sure can. I have a kid so putting him in the car next to another car in a parking garage is painful but with summon everyday it’s amazing

After looking into it a bit more, it seems useful in some circumstances as you describe, but hardly "summon it like a valet" when it can only move a few meters. From your description, I was thinking more of something like waiting at the entrance to a public carpark and the car comes to you.