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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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It's not a given - e.g. AFAIK most turks in Germany support Erdogan

In both countries, the educated population likes the religious leader less than the uneducated population. In Germany, most Turkish immigrants are from rather basic backgrounds and most Iranian immigrants are from intellectual backgrounds. It makes a huge difference. In both countries of origin, the population is split much more evenly than what you see abroad. AFAIK, about 50% support the religious strongman in both…

> AFAIK, about 50% support the religious strongman in both countries.

Do you have any credible source for this?

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Any time we drop bombs we set ourselves up for more pearl harbors or 9/11s. Just stupidly foolish decision most people involved won’t have to see the consequences. Especially since we’ve destroyed our soft power. What is the next step? More stupidity. We are Americans we all cheer for spectacle regardless of reason. My fellow citizens are stupid and I don’t support the troops anymore or any military that has let all…

Parent asked for comments from Iranians.

And? Does it matter? They’re not press that will only post opinions from Iranians. A counter perspective is useful, yes?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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But in the case of an actual dictator who murdered thousands of protestors it is reasonable, right, just, and civilized. Shed no tears for the deaths of tyrants. They would happily see you and any other threat to their illegitimate power put six feet under.

Yes our president has only needlessly murdered two innocent US citizens so far. As he has told us countless times, he would like to be a dictator.

Add to this list the two children and an adult unnecessary killed by measles in Texas and New Mexico in 2025 after the disinformation campaign aiming to save the government a few dollars.

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This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.

I don't have it bookmarked but he did teach that and had his friend Lajevardi whom he supported and praised carry it out. And his Islamic enforcement police regularly engaged in it. And he has defended his Islamic enforcement police the Basij, whose job is to enforce his teachings, when they have conducted systemic rapes.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin...

Here he is defending the practice https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/27/iran-ayatollah...

Amnesty talking about his Basij Islamic enforcement police conducting the practice: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/12/iran-security...

Challenges to his systemic use of rape and if it disqualifies his legitimacy back in 2009 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/15/world/middleeast/15iran.h...

2011 Frontline coverage of the practice https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2011/0...

More coverage of the practice https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1890900/iran-rape-tortu...

In addition to the routine/sactioned religious police rapes how many executions have there been under this moderate? How many women arrested for religious reasons? Under his leadership the death decree against Salman Rushdie was never lifted. How many died of torture in detention after he called for people to be punished? If this is moderation then what does fundamentalism look like?

Hmmm, this may have been a 'mis-interpretation' but it seems odd that it wouldn't, you know, be corrected with a public 'correct' interpretation in all these years and with so much rape being done by religious police serving directly under him. Instead of easily issuing a public statement he defended the rapists indicating that in fact, it was a correct interpretation. https://wncri.org/2015/11/13/female-prisoners-virgins-raped/

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By your logic, Khamenei probably hasn't murdered anyone either, right? What a pitiful "argument". While other Presidents would go as far as putting signs saying "the buck stops here" on the Resolute Desk, the current President's sign would say "the buck stops anywhere but here". Let's also see what happens with New Mexico's investigation of the Zorro Ranch... Self defense, my ass. Neither situation posed ANY credible…

to be fair, the prior respondent did seem to agree with the word 'murder' so perhaps we're all ultimately in agreement about what happened :|

if it's self-defence then more or less by definition it isn't murder.

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"Turn over your state's voter information to the Federal Government for ... reasons, or we'll keep up the ICE raids in your cities that have already led to death and injuries" would be one simple example. Oppression... or extortion... or both.

Huh?

"We want to suppress voters under some false boogeyman of 'illegal voters'. You are refusing to give us data which we need to do this, so instead, we'll keep ICE in your cities who have been shown to have no issues with escalating violence, until you do."

I struggle to believe you cannot connect those dots.

In addition, why would ICE enforcement in a city go away because voter rolls are turned over? Is illegal immigration in Minnesota a problem worthy of active enforcement or not?

In other words, oppression of citizenry to advance the efforts of a government to suppress voting that it dislikes.

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Huh?

"We want to suppress voters under some false boogeyman of 'illegal voters'. You are refusing to give us data which we need to do this, so instead, we'll keep ICE in your cities who have been shown to have no issues with escalating violence, until you do." I struggle to believe you cannot connect those dots. In addition, why would ICE enforcement in a city go away because voter rolls are turned over? Is illegal immigr…

Is this about requiring ID to vote? Like in literally every country. In a country where reliance on cars is like 99.9%?

You can't be serious.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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He's not a prophet and he didn't teach that. You don't need to lie about someone you don't like.

I don't have it bookmarked but he did teach that and had his friend Lajevardi whom he supported and praised carry it out. And his Islamic enforcement police regularly engaged in it. And he has defended his Islamic enforcement police the Basij, whose job is to enforce his teachings, when they have conducted systemic rapes. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin... Here he is defending the practic…

> I don't have it bookmarked but he did teach that and had his friend Lajevardi whom he supported and praised carry it out.

Look, I'm simply not going to believe this claim without evidence.

You are presenting terrible practices in Iran that I disagree with, but that wasn't your original claim.

From the links you've given, rape was because political prisoners were believed to be slaves. That's a despicable and gross practice. It is not, however "school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven". The reason for the rape of prisoners was because the prisoners were viewed as slaves, not to keep them from heaven (from what I've read).

> If this is moderation then what does fundamentalism look like?

Relative to the region. Iran has been brutal to it's dissidents and enemies of the state.

However, if you compare the rights of women under Iran vs Saudi Arabia, you'll end up finding that women in Iran have more rights and freedoms. That's what relative means.

I'm not here to defend Khamenei. The reason I pushed back was because, as I said, you don't need to lie about someone you don't like. These are the facts you should present and represent. Talk about how Iran rapes political enemies. That is a horrible practice. But the extreme "He said to rape girls without hijabs and then kill them to keep them from heaven" is just a lie. Hell, you can pretty accurately say "He taught that political prisoners are slaves, which his government used to justify raping female prisoners". That's a true statement that makes him look horrible.

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The most likely situation is continuity. They just pick a new supreme leader. The second most likely situation is a civil war.

In Romania it took some 10 years to reach some degree of functional democracy after the fall of communism and the execution on Ceaușescu, who coincidentally, just returned from the crowning of Khamenei, while learning, dictator-to-dictator, how to suppress a revolution: 1006 killed, though most of them not by the initial "Revolutionary Guards" reprisal but in the semi-civil war that followed. And that in a country/re…

Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Kosovo won’t get into the EU?

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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I don't have it bookmarked but he did teach that and had his friend Lajevardi whom he supported and praised carry it out. And his Islamic enforcement police regularly engaged in it. And he has defended his Islamic enforcement police the Basij, whose job is to enforce his teachings, when they have conducted systemic rapes. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin... Here he is defending the practic…

> I don't have it bookmarked but he did teach that and had his friend Lajevardi whom he supported and praised carry it out. Look, I'm simply not going to believe this claim without evidence. You are presenting terrible practices in Iran that I disagree with, but that wasn't your original claim. From the links you've given, rape was because political prisoners were believed to be slaves. That's a despicable and gross…

It looks like it was the previous Ayatollah who was Khamenei's religious teacher, but this one could easily have corrected things but instead chose to defend the practice/practitioners and never on the occasion of abuse over decades chose to correct the interpretation.

"such as the rape of virgin girls prior to their execution, were conducted in a systematic way and were based on the interpretation of an order by Ayatollah Khomeini (1979-1989)"

So his spiritual teacher ordered it with the vague cop-out by someone else that 'maybe it was misinterpreted' yet even though his Islamic police were raping for decades he never corrected what his teacher/spiritual leader said/meant.

Undisputed facts: it happened and the people doing it thought that it was sanctioned by the Ayatollah. Even though it happened for decades, this Ayatollah never corrected people that they had misunderstood. Did defend his Islamic police and did on occasions when they inflicted the violence after him basically saying “Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?”.

Decades and decades of rape, and of government officials thinking this is the official Islamic position, and he NEVER chose to say otherwise even though his Islamic police were acting on it.

I'm throttled after this but I believe it was his official policy, and nothing indicates otherwise. There was systemic rape and he defended/protected those doing it and never corrected the believed edict from his predecessor. Also it is extremely rare to get these edicts externally. We only have what I pointed out because an insider (Ayatollah Montazeri) was trying to defend his reputation after word got out of the justification for rape by Khomeini.

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