Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

Post by Braxton1980 » Fri, May 23, 2025, 4:09 PM UTC

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It's more of an ethical question. Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person? I'd argue that they were. You can't just vote for a horrible person and then say you had nothing to do with the consequences. I'm not the one you replied to, but I assume this is something family related, a la "just because grandpa voted for Trump doesn't mean he's a bad person".

People didn't have good choices. There was plenty to not like about the Democrats as well. You can argue who is worse, or even if the concerns are valid, but there are plenty of things many people don't like about how the democrats use their power. As such what was a voter to do? There are a long list of things, and most people are not willing accept that "their side" does anything someone else might not like. Doesn'…

Post by Braxton1980 » Fri, May 23, 2025, 4:16 PM UTC

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I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

> I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur. Does that apply to Gaza as well? Or is it just when people you don't like vote? There is a reason we don't do this, why we didn't punish everyone who voted for Hitler etc.

Post by tantalor » Fri, May 23, 2025, 4:31 PM UTC

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TRO in 5, 4, 3...

Post by homefree » Fri, May 23, 2025, 4:43 PM UTC

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Yeah this is also my read, people are horrified by the university behavior and generally supportive of the administration on this stuff. The 'elite' schools are becoming a counter signal it'll be embarrassing to have attended.

and that last phrase is worthy of chairman mao. anti elitism rapidly turns into anti competence. in which circles would one be embarrassed to have attended Harvard? the notion of foisting your narrow-minded vision of reality on 300 million people is sickening. that is the totalitarianism our forebears fought 2 world wars and a cold war over. your thinking is worthy of stalin ot mao. shame be upon such a sorry excuse…

Post by chipsrafferty » Fri, May 23, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

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I actually think indoctrinating their children in western human liberalism -is- a feature. But whether it’s a feature or a flaw, it’s an aspect of having the best brand on earth that those with the most money aspire to it. If you’re in an African country Harvard degrees are extremely prestigious, more so than in America, so the drive to attain it is even greater - even if it’s largely limited to the wealthy. But not…

The culture that prevails at Harvard isn’t Americanism. It’s elitist managerialism and liberal internationalism. It’s an ideology that children of foreign elites can easily assimilate into, because they come from cultures where better people rule over “the masses.” (Remember, aristocrats think that their status is a kind of meritocracy.) Actual Brahmins assimilate easily into Boston Brahminism. What defines Americani…