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Re: Apple Invites

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Post by highwaylights »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #873
highwaylights wrote: post #868

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You're totally missing the point of parent. The cost is in how insidiously this behavior ostracizes Android owners over time, just like they've done for years with blue/green bubbles. I'm an Apple user, and it serves me well, but it absolutely uses really sinister dark patterns to separate me from contacts in the Android world.

I have never gotten the blue green ostacization. It's a color. It denotes whether you're using iMessage or SMS (now the new standard, RCS I think). Like I've heard of teenagers giving each other shit for it, I have never ever once in my life, myself or any person I've worked or been friends with, gives it a second thought. And if I actually heard someone attempting to make this into a thing I would judge them incredi…

That’s entirely the point though.

I don’t mind it at all, nor would I care, but it others people that don’t have an iPhone (especially teenagers), and they also suggest this in their explanation (that a green bubble means the chat is no longer encrypted, even though WhatsApp and RCS exist).

It’s a dark pattern that they’ve rightly been criticized for, but no-one has thus far cared enough to do something about it.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by pseudocomposer »

ryandrake wrote: post #486
mjamesaustin wrote: post #338

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Currently Partiful doesn't generate revenue, which is evidence for its quality. As soon as the purse strings get attached, it'll be time to get out. But for now, it's an excellent service.

This tracks so well as an indicator, with many other products. As soon as the company starts making money, their product is going to become awful and it's time to find an alternative. Why can't tech escape this cycle?

Because every way, say, the Partiful devs could ask for $3/mo for months you post parties (like Kagi’s new pricing) is gated by payment providers that will either take 30¢ of every dollar, be expensive to implement, or provide a bad experience for users.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Rohansi »

JohnBooty wrote: post #888
Rohansi wrote: post #690

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At least RCS is an attempt at being a cross platform standard, even if it still sucks. iMessage is locked down to Apple devices only. Even if you reverse engineered the protocol you wouldn't be able to get it on Android because Apple will shut you down. Best option is to just use a different app that just works on all platforms. No RCS, no iMessage.

At least RCS is an attempt at being a cross platform standard, even if it still sucks. The E2EE part, which does not exist in the RCS standard itself, is a proprietary Google thing with keys managed by Google. It is not open, and opening it is not trivial because somebody has to be an authoritative key source etc. If not for that part I'd agree with you. Best option is to just use a different app that just works on a…

The value you are talking about is all because of SMS. It's the lowest common denominator and IMO shouldn't be combined into a single app.

And there's definitely no reason why either iMessage or RCS E2EE need to be locked to a specific platform. Signal, WhatsApp, etc just work everywhere with no quirks when messaging people on different platforms.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by apparent »

freeAgent wrote: post #841
apparent wrote: post #707

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You get 5GB of iCloud storage for free. I figured this was a way to get people closer to/over the limit. I get that the iCloud tiers start cheap, but having 50GB doesn't really do anything for me since it's still not big enough to back up an iPhone. And there's zero chance I'm going to start paying for a monthly service in order to get access to an evite clone that I would use a couple times a year. Maybe there are b…

I assume one could start and then cancel a subscription, though, so you could just pay about a buck every time you want to use the app. That’s a lot of friction, though. I have iCloud+ base tier, but I use it just for iMessage, Drive, and other non-photo apps (I back up my photos to my NAS). I don’t back up my whole phone because all the data I care about is already backed up. I also like being able to use Private Re…

What takes up the most space in iCloud, such that the free 5GB tier isn't enough?

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by freeAgent »

apparent wrote: post #905
freeAgent wrote: post #841

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I assume one could start and then cancel a subscription, though, so you could just pay about a buck every time you want to use the app. That’s a lot of friction, though. I have iCloud+ base tier, but I use it just for iMessage, Drive, and other non-photo apps (I back up my photos to my NAS). I don’t back up my whole phone because all the data I care about is already backed up. I also like being able to use Private Re…

What takes up the most space in iCloud, such that the free 5GB tier isn't enough?

Occasionally I’ll have large shared albums of photos and videos, but I always clean them up.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by tonyhart7 »

shwouchk wrote: post #893
tonyhart7 wrote: post #756

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Your argument can be said the same with high end Samsung phone but guess what?? it is still android people perception that IOS is exclusive is a fact, and I not trolling here

And many of my arguments cannot be said for a high end samsung - ive had one. Have a different android now. Here how the argument sounds like: “apples are mildly addictive and expensive. And, some premium pears are just as sweet if not sweeter. Therefore, people who like apples must be doing it to feel special. Inly reason someone would buy an apple is to show it off.” “ugh couldn’t you imagine someone prefers apple…

So you're saying my argument is false, and out of billions of people, there’s none that share the same opinion as me???

Crazy, because a few of my friends literally gave this same reason for buying an iPhone.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by thejazzman »

echelon wrote: post #327
happyopossum wrote: post #222

My wife is in a position (board chair for a co-op) that results in her sending out a lot of invites to events. Evite has kinda been the go-to in her social/co-op group for ages, but man it suuuuuuucks these days. Ads everywhere, annoying patterns, and lacks a bunch of nice features that this seems to have. Very happy to see this

Luma and Partiful are really good. This Apple thing is going to turn into a "green text" social signalling thing all over again. If you have an Android, you won't be invited. More scummy Apple social engineering bullshit. Kids that already hate on those having Android colored text bubbles are going to bully each other even more. And of course kids need the latest iPhone, too. Apple is playing into this brilliantly an…

i read this take a lot but have never heard of it in practice (from my high school nieces)

what is overwhelmingly prevalent is political bullying; eg "make the dems cry again" was all over the school in various forms (t shirts, device backgrounds, etc)

green bubble hysteria really isn't a thing beyond nerds.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by aidenn0 »

klabb3 wrote: post #593
aidenn0 wrote: post #566

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But lots of features are likely to be unavailable to invitees (indeed the article specifically mentions a couple) without Apple devices. Apple loves to use network effects to make people with Android phones feel like outsiders.

Yes. Exhibit A: the infamous green bubble stigma (US phenomenon only). Also, Apple should not be in the business of making social apps. Hardware and OS is plenty lock-in aka fiefdoms as it is.

> Also, Apple should not be in the business of making social apps. Hardware and OS is plenty lock-in aka fiefdoms as it is.

I have some sympathy for Apple here; they are selling a premium walled garden, and nearly all popular social apps do one or more things that are rather antithetical to their brand.

Re: Apple Invites

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Post by Schiendelman »

bluSCALE4 wrote: post #851
StressedDev wrote: post #670

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Agreed - If you want good products, you should support the people who create them. That means paying. If you want a privacy destroying enshitified product, keep using "free" products.

This isn't so simple. I love a lot of apps but I'm not willing to pay a monthly or yearly sub. I'll give you $5-$250 but I won't give you $5 a month.

Well then you won't get maintenance or support. People need to eat long-term, not just once.
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