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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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There's probably going to be a flood of lawsuits, complaints, etc. following this. Cleaning up inefficient gov processes and waste would be good, but this is the completely wrong way to go about it. A single team, made up of extremely young people, some of which haven't even finished college yet, is not qualified in the slightest to do so. This is on top of them having no gov experience, and experience with how thing…

Lawsuits take time, the authoritarian takeover of the government is completed in days.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#902

Remember, if you can vote, vote the next time you can. Convince your friends and neighbors to vote, too. Apathy has real consequences.

Many of us here voted for exactly this and we are very happy to see all of these changes.

It's crazy to me that this is the state of hackernews wow

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #822

Average age of engineers and scientists in the Manhattan Project was 25. Our current gerontocracy is ahistorical. Perhaps one reason startups work so well is they are one of the few places that still let young people exert agency. The average age of NASA’s mission control team during the Apollo era was 27— they put humans on the moon. Young people bring a force of curiosity and creativity that can disrupt the status…

Wernher von Braun was a brilliant young engineer, one of the best minds of his generation. At age 25 he joined a patriotic party that was full of curiosity and creativity, disrupting the stale status quo of his home country. For the next eight years he did groundbreaking work in developing rockets. In 1945 he and his youthful engineering team were actively recruited to continue their work for another country with gre…

"Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?

That's not my department, " says Wernher von Braun.

Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#904

Elon is stealing any and all data to train AI. His padawans are AI guys. At least he's going in personally with a crew like a proper heist.

It is AI related, but I don't think it's only "train". I believe Musk is a real visionary (villain?), and he's going to replace the whole government apparatus with AI. POTUS included.

in the RFPs, they are gonna replace DEI clauses with AI clauses. which reveals what they think about labor and people

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

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post #661

What evidence do people have that anything damaging is happening? Because these people are assumed to be conservative and not progressive? How is this any different than an internal audit whose work would be kept confidential? Or even a third party vendor who presumably would be covered by confidentiality agreements? The allegations in these comments are completely without evidence and are outright politically biased…

some different takes:

https://www.crisesnotes.com/elon-musk-wants-to-get-operation...

https://popular.info/p/musk-associates-given-unfettered

no matter political affiliation, this should be alarming the level of access these people have been given without security clearances etc.

this is a national security issue.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#906

> Congress has no ability to really intervene and monitor what's happening because these aren't really accountable public officials. Congress gets to make laws. They can intervene by making a law that allows them to intervene, which is the job we elected them to do. Apparently they prefer getting bossed around instead.

Unfortunately, laws have to be signed in by the president

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#907

Average age of engineers and scientists in the Manhattan Project was 25. Our current gerontocracy is ahistorical. Perhaps one reason startups work so well is they are one of the few places that still let young people exert agency. The average age of NASA’s mission control team during the Apollo era was 27— they put humans on the moon. Young people bring a force of curiosity and creativity that can disrupt the status…

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Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#908
post #661

What evidence do people have that anything damaging is happening? Because these people are assumed to be conservative and not progressive? How is this any different than an internal audit whose work would be kept confidential? Or even a third party vendor who presumably would be covered by confidentiality agreements? The allegations in these comments are completely without evidence and are outright politically biased…

This has to be a bad faith argument. DOGE was not signed into law by congress as an official executive department, Musk was not officially appointed with a congress hearing and approval.

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#909

Amazed at the pushback against an effort to cut waste out of government. There is a ton of it. It's your tax dollars being wasted... let's instead discuss whether things they've identified are keep, toss, or reform and if the wrong call has been made.

I want to down-vote you, but I seemingly cannot. This is incredibly dangerous. A select few, having such control over so many millions? Are you nuts?! This is a serious question, as a new member of this community, is this a normal type of comment I can expect on HN?

I'm almost certain this thread is being targeted by bots. Comments in support are always cookie cutter talking points like "cutting waste and fraud", "what's wrong with executive branch auditing itself", etc

Re: The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE

#910
Say what you want, but if we don't drastically cut spending, our way of life will collapse. It would be nice if Congress itself would reign in spending and downsize the government, but everyone knows that has a 0% chance of happening.

This is better hyperinflation or a violent revolution, at least, which is what it avoids for us. Anyone who doesn't see that hasn't done the thought experiment of extrapolating out our spending for a few more decades. It can't continue, period. Period. Our only choice is how to change it and our democracy (congresspuppets controlled by lobbies) fundamentally cannot fix this. Does anyone have a better idea that will actually work?

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