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Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by unusualmonkey »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

There is no guarantee that local processing is going to have lower latency than remote processing. Given the huge compute needs of some AI models (e.g. chat gpt) the time saved by using larger compute likely dwarfs the relatively small time need to transmit a request.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by underdeserver »

mvkel wrote: post #117
praseodym wrote: post #10

"With these improvements to the CPU and GPU, M4 maintains Apple silicon’s industry-leading performance per watt. M4 can deliver the same performance as M2 using just half the power. And compared with the latest PC chip in a thin and light laptop, M4 can deliver the same performance using just a fourth of the power." That's an incredible improvement in just a few years. I wonder how much of that is Apple engineering a…

And here it is in an OS that can't even max out an M1! That said, the function keys make me think "and it runs macOS" is coming, and THAT would be extremely compelling.

What function keys?

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by adultSwim »

tiffanyh wrote: post #195

Nano-Texture I really hope this comes to all Apple products soon (iPhones, all iPads, etc). It's some of the best anti-reflective tech I've seen that keeps color and brightness deep & bright.

When they stopped offering matte displays I switched to Thinkpads. I'd really like an Air but can't imagine looking at myself all day.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by wilde »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Ehhh at this point Apple’s privacy strategy is little more than marketing. Sure they’ll push stuff to the edge to save themselves money and book the win, but they also are addicted to the billions they make selling your searches to Google.

Agreed on the UX improvements though.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by heresie-dabord »

andsoitis wrote: post #539
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

> The promise of privacy is one way in which they position themselves, but I would not bet the bank on that being true forever.

Indeed.

Privacy starts with architectural fundamentals that are very difficult to retrofit...

If a supplier of products has not built the products this way, it would be naive to bet bank or farm on the supplier. Even if there were profound motivation to retrofit.

Add to this the general tendency of the market to exploit its customers.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by neilsimp1 »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

The entire software stack is non-free and closed-source. This means you'd be taking Apple at their word on "privacy". Do you trust Apple? I wouldn't, given their track record.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by garydgregory »

rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

My cynical view is that doing AI on the client is the only way they can try to keep selling luxury items (jewelry really) and increasing prices for what are essentially and functionally commodity devices.

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Post by madeofpalk »

neilsimp1 wrote: post #907
rsp1984 wrote: post #457

Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

The entire software stack is non-free and closed-source. This means you'd be taking Apple at their word on "privacy". Do you trust Apple? I wouldn't, given their track record.

What track record?

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Post by Gh0stRAT »

madeofpalk wrote: post #909
neilsimp1 wrote: post #907

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire software stack is non-free and closed-source. This means you'd be taking Apple at their word on "privacy". Do you trust Apple? I wouldn't, given their track record.

What track record?

They fought the FBI over unlocking iPhones when they could have just quietly complied with the request. I'd say they have a decent track record.
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