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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by rufus_foreman »

jncfhnb wrote: post #335
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

There are more oppositional figures, they’re simply barred from entry because it’s not a real democracy. Russia is not gaining noteworthy traction. Avdiivka is a tiny pointless place aside from the fact that Russia is willing to impale itself at horrible odds to achieve any victory it can for optics.

>> Avdiivka is a tiny pointless place

"Both sides regard Avdiivka as key to Russia's aim of securing full control of the two eastern "Donbas" provinces - Donetsk and Luhansk. These are among the four Ukrainian regions Russia says it has annexed but does not have full control of. Avdiivka is seen as a gateway to Donetsk city, whose residential areas Russian officials say have been shelled by Ukrainian forces, sometimes from Avdiivka."

-- Reuters, https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/why-does-russia-want-ca...

I don't understand your point about optics. Why does Russia care about optics in this case? Ukraine has to care about optics because they are completely dependent on NATO aid for their survival at this point.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by rllearneratwork »

falserum wrote: post #888
rllearneratwork wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Invading a well-armed Europe is almost impossible." - You don't get it. An alliance of china, russia, iran and north korea will be enabled to do whatever they want. Including invading or, more likely, hitting with missiles critical infrastructure in any Nato country with the exception of US and UK

Curious: Why uk is exception and france is not?

geography and special ties with US. One thing russia has always been comically spectacularly bad is navy

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ivan_gammel »

type0 wrote: post #899
ivan_gammel wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vladimir Kara-Murza is a minor figure, one of the many others in jail, who are decent people but irrelevant politicians. 99% of Russians haven’t heard of him. At this moment the only active and relevant politician is Nadezhdin.

> only active and relevant politician is Nadezhdin. and how is he still relevant?

He managed to collect 200k signatures, remains free and active. He’s probably more recognizable than anyone else now.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by xdennis »

axegon_ wrote: post #429

I love how naive and gullible most people can be... Just google past the first result and you'll see that he is a carbon copy of putin - they are literally the two sides of the same coin. His personal views were perfectly in line with the russian leadership for the past 300 years: believed in imperialism and ethnic superiority. He played opposition for one reason and one reason alone: personal gains. He softened down…

He was a realist and tailored his positions to appeal to the Russian mentality in the hopes of changing it from within. If he really wanted "personal gains" he wouldn't have gone back to Russia.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by para_parolu »

iwontberude wrote: post #433
bvrmn wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad times began in 2012. Since then opposition has no a single chance to win elections.

Navalny was in support of Ukrainian invasion of Crimea and knew it would require a further land invasion to keep. He was just as psycho and homicidal (suicidal) as Prigozhin but refused to be under Putin’s thumb. Navalny wanted to be the #1 asshole in charge otherwise return to Russia and die in prison.

No he wasn’t

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by xdennis »

tryauuum wrote: post #859
senderista wrote: post #610

If you think Navalny was anything but a Russian nationalist, or that he would have acted differently than Putin on e.g. returning Crimea to Ukraine[0], try learning more about him. Also, Reuters is really showing its bias here by incessantly referring to Putin as "the former KGB spy". Imagine if an article about Reagan while he was president referred to him constantly as "the former Hollywood actor". [0] https://crim…

I don't understand why people keep talking about nationalism and Crimea. Does it justify him being dead (which is the title post)?

You hit the nail on the head. They're highlighting his flaws to make it so his "passing" wasn't really that bad.

It's why he's being compared to Putin. It's a typical Russian tactic: you can't make Putin seem like an angel, but you can portray everybody as corrupt. Make them think that "everybody is the same" and the indifference is more powerful than repression because most people won't even revolt.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hayst4ck »

stcroixx wrote: post #474
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

I think it makes a lot more sense if you separate a country from their elite.

It seems quite clear that the German elite class had been wholly corrupted by Russia who offered them enrichment at the cost of Ukrainians and ultimately long term German security.

It makes a lot more sense when you look at how America's own elites sold out America to China.

All of this (charitably assuming good faith) was founded on the idea of inevitability. People thought peace was an inevitable result of trade, liberalization was an inevitable result of prosperity, and democratization an inevitable result of capitalism.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Jenda_ »

reactordev wrote: post #383
FredPret wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe will now spend more on it’s own defence which is very good for the West and just horrible for Russia. Invading the EU is a different proposition to invading Ukraine. Invading a well-armed Europe is almost impossible.

“Invading a well-armed Europe is almost impossible.” Funny, the world had the same thought in 1936.

Besides an open military invasion (hopefully improbable), I'm afraid of slowly tilting and influencing border states (Slovakia, Hungary) to lean towards Russia, with maybe some future economic extortion, or in the very extreme case, staging an election/referendum to leave EU/NATO.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by dilyevsky »

elihu wrote: post #855
banku_brougham wrote: post #268

Does anyone know why NATO/US never gave Ukraine what they were asking for! jets, Anti-air systems, ATACMs, etc?

The US did give them a lot (HIMARS, Bradleys, ATACMS, a few Abrams, cluster munitions) and Europe did too (Storm Shadow, Scalp, Leopards). I don't remember whether the Patriot batteries came from the U.S. or were traded out of some European countries. The U.S. could have supplied a lot of the advanced weapons much sooner, but Biden dithered. Supposedly Ukraine will get F-16s any day now. For now, U.S. aid is being bl…

> I don't remember whether the Patriot batteries came from the U.S. or were traded out of some European countries.

Two from US, one (mobile version) from Germany

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