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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by JPKab »

andrewmd5 wrote: post #887
JPKab wrote: post #833

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You have no idea how much software I ship, but like your ideology, you make assertions without data. You act as if the only people who are killed by police are "one of my brothers and sisters". Let's unpack that, shall we? https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ Roughly 3/4 of people killed by police in the US are not one of your "brothers and sisters" if by "brothers and sisters" you are referring to humans who share you…

See, all you have to do is push people who claim to want an apolitical workspace just a little to get their real views to surface. Enjoy your sad, weird life https://andrew.im/

I read your blog. You and I share a common life experience: Spending part of your childhood homeless.

Have a nice day.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by dsnr »

dang wrote: post #816
[deleted] wrote: post #339

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Please don't cross into personal attack. You can make your substantive points without swipes like that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Would you please delete it? I shouldn't have replied in the first place.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by js2 »

js2 wrote: post #868
efitz wrote: post #647

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I find the idea of the “Southern Strategy” to be counter-intuitive as well as self-serving for its proponents. First, under what circumstances would you swap political parties? This is an exceptionally rare circumstance; I don’t see how it could ever happen in any kind of significant way. People change to third parties (eg whigs to Republicans) but leftists and rightists rarely “switch sides”. Party affiliations are…

The parties did not used to be as polarized. Many southern white Democrats moved to the Republican party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#1933%E2%80%... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond is very notable example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond

Ronald Reagan, famously, too.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by banannaise »

JPKab wrote: post #833
andrewmd5 wrote: post #799

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> I rarely see talented developers doing this because they're too busy working. I love the privilege on display here. You can ignore racial inequality issues because "they are too distracting," meanwhile I have to wake up each morning, read yet another one of my brothers and sisters has been killed by police, and I still have to run my business. Your mediocrity exist in your complacently to the status-quo. On a daily…

You have no idea how much software I ship, but like your ideology, you make assertions without data. You act as if the only people who are killed by police are "one of my brothers and sisters". Let's unpack that, shall we? https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ Roughly 3/4 of people killed by police in the US are not one of your "brothers and sisters" if by "brothers and sisters" you are referring to humans who share you…

> See Daniel Shaver, who was recorded on camera being executed, unarmed in his underwear, begging for his life, by a psycho cop.

Literally the only substantial voice that stood up and went to bat for Daniel Shaver was BLM. You're right, police violence is far from isolated to Black people. Most BLM activists would agree that stopping police violence has multi-racial benefits!

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #795
javagram wrote: post #793

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Donald Trump attacked an American-born judge and said he couldn’t be impartial because he had Mexican ancestry https://time.com/4356045/donald-trump-judge-gonzalo-curiel/

Biden said "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-po... Everyone says something they immediately regret.

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

bitwize wrote: post #170
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #139

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> Unfortunately, one participant was stuck on free speech side of the debate. All day the conference has been doing logical programs and term equivalence, but somehow this person didn't deduce the result "free speech fundamentalism == fash", at least within the current evaluation context. Really? Someone who writes that is where you're looking for guidance? Words fail me to describe how appalling this is. Free clue:…

> Really? Someone who writes that is where you're looking for guidance? Words fail me to describe how appalling this is. Did you read the rest of the blog post? Or did seeing " =fash" stop your thought? As Andy says, free speech really only works in a context where everybody is of equal power. In an asymmetric power context, speech against those with less power is objectively more damaging than speech against those w…

Replying late. I was going to just let all the downvotes be your answer, but after thinking about it for a day, I decided that this deserved more of a reply.

Yes, I read the rest of the blog post.

I see a couple problems with your position here. First, fascists - real fascists - aren't free speech advocates. They restrict the speech of their opponents. So calling someone fascist because they advocate free speech is rather off. In fact, your position is closer to the fascist one.

Second: "fash". Part of the fascist playbook is short, dismissive, contemptuous labels for their opponents. It's part of the dehumanization process. And here you are, doing exactly that.

That's two different parts of the fascist methodology that you (and the blog poster) are exhibiting. You might think carefully about that. When opposing tyranny, be careful of the methods of tyrants, lest you become one.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by t0mbstone »

joshuamorton wrote: post #889
t0mbstone wrote: post #835

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But isn't your restriction of my language and how I refer to the people I love pretty much the opposite of "inclusion"? What if my wife would prefer if I referred to her as my "wife" instead of as a generic, faceless "partner"? By insisting that I refer to her as a genderless "partner", you are failing to respect her chosen pronoun.

This is almost certainly for product or marketing materials, and not for you talking about your personal relationships. That is Okta should not talk about building a security tool for you and your wife to use, but instead for you and your partner to use. Because I have no clue who your partner is (or really if you have one) so I shouldn't assume until I have that information. Note that the words in the example are al…

Oh, I see what you are saying. I can definitely get behind the use of gender neutral language in product and marketing materials. That part makes sense anyways.

Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by [deleted] »

banannaise wrote: post #905
JPKab wrote: post #833

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You have no idea how much software I ship, but like your ideology, you make assertions without data. You act as if the only people who are killed by police are "one of my brothers and sisters". Let's unpack that, shall we? https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ Roughly 3/4 of people killed by police in the US are not one of your "brothers and sisters" if by "brothers and sisters" you are referring to humans who share you…

> See Daniel Shaver, who was recorded on camera being executed, unarmed in his underwear, begging for his life, by a psycho cop. Literally the only substantial voice that stood up and went to bat for Daniel Shaver was BLM. You're right, police violence is far from isolated to Black people. Most BLM activists would agree that stopping police violence has multi-racial benefits!

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Re: How Basecamp Blew Up

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Post by javagram »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #795
javagram wrote: post #793

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Donald Trump attacked an American-born judge and said he couldn’t be impartial because he had Mexican ancestry https://time.com/4356045/donald-trump-judge-gonzalo-curiel/

Biden said "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-po... Everyone says something they immediately regret.

Trump never regretted what I quoted. He was asked to apologize and refused.

Biden saying something positive about poor minority children being equal to whites is a bizarre comparison.

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