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> Arguably, a slightly autistic personality is helpful for a programmer. This sounds a bit like people who go "haha, I'm so OCD, I like my pencils all pointing the wrong way" - incorrect self-diagnosis. "Slightly autistic personality" unfortunately seems to be fairly frequently used as an excuse to be an asshole.
Asperger's is a real diagnosis.
This was awesome. Not because it dispels a meme that is negative in the industry, not because it is some sort of proof a woman can succeed in tech, or any other of this tropic nonsense. It was such an amazing message that was totally gender neutral: "I like building things because I am curious and I pursue knowledge for its own sake" With all the confirmation bias and name calling (which I am certainly guilty of from…
...it is refreshing to hear someone talking about how want both sides to shut up so they can get back to building... Wouldn't it be even more refreshing, though, to watch them just choose to tune-out and go back to hacking, rather than asking anyone to shut up?
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> they just want both sides to shut up > Why should women Sorry, not keen to argue here. Quite a good post in the original article, thought it was an interesting take. italics added for emphasis.
This assumes an equivalence between men and women that doesn't exist here. If both sides were equally put-upon, it'd be neutral to call for both sides to shut up. When one side has a clear advantage, it is not.
I suspect this is the big difference driving a lot of this debate. You see a clear advantage, I see a lot of small advantages in specific situations, along with personal preferences.
To a lot of us, it's not a clear advantage.
I definitely make more money, but I'm much more likely to commit suicide or become homeless. I'm a lot more likely to be injured on the job.
There had been interest, but one of the committers had dismissed the idea out of hand because a woman had proposed it. It was the funniest thing I’d heard in months — I literally doubled over laughing at how nonplussed he must have been to see it not only implemented, but implemented to rousing success. Now that's a woman I respect. Instead of whining around, she just implements it. Suckerpunched the misogynist. You…
So... more perceptive women, who see from the outset that they will have to work twice as hard to be only equally respected in the industry, should shut up and get to work instead of pointing out the unfairness? They should toil for a decade or two in order to have the requisite cred before complaining about injustice? You don't even know your "stop complaining and start doing" solution will work. Since the anti-fema…
This was awesome. Not because it dispels a meme that is negative in the industry, not because it is some sort of proof a woman can succeed in tech, or any other of this tropic nonsense. It was such an amazing message that was totally gender neutral: "I like building things because I am curious and I pursue knowledge for its own sake" With all the confirmation bias and name calling (which I am certainly guilty of from…
Hell yeah. I was just talking about it the other day: how we need to let it all go and get back to making cool stuff and having fun.
With all the vitriol in the industry at the moment I'm surprised that anyone wants to enter it. I agree that we need to sort out our demographics (we really need to sort out our demographics), but can't we do that with positivity instead of negativity? A positive attitude makes such a difference.
Bit of an anecdote: one team where I work are always too busy to help. Everyone knows it and they know it. Getting help from them is like trying to find the Higgs Boson. After my project was delayed by month because of the dependency on this team I was seconds away from escalating the shit as high a possible. Toys were going to be flung far and wide, heads were going to roll. For some reason I didn't. I walked into the office and said, "how can I help you guys help me?" Suddenly I was at the front of the queue. Ten minutes later we had a working solution.
Next time somebody does something unsavory think about approaching them as a friend and not an enemy. Maybe the dude isn't a misogynist, maybe he just had a brain fart. Maybe he didn't have bad intentions.
The only thing this bickering has achieved is labeling people. "Misogynist" is such a strong word to use when someone made a simple mistake. Don't we all care about losing the labels and having an equal standing with each other? Stopping other from doing that starts with stopping yourself.
Let's build something we can be proud of, instead of destroying the little that is left. The next time someone makes a mistake try building their character, don't destroy their reputation.
This was awesome. Not because it dispels a meme that is negative in the industry, not because it is some sort of proof a woman can succeed in tech, or any other of this tropic nonsense. It was such an amazing message that was totally gender neutral: "I like building things because I am curious and I pursue knowledge for its own sake" With all the confirmation bias and name calling (which I am certainly guilty of from…
> it is refreshing to hear someone talking about how they just want both sides to shut up so they can get back to building and hacking. I think this is an unfortunate (though entirely relatable!) attitude because it ignores the fact that there are groups whose needs for a comfortable, collegial hacking environment are poorly met by many communities today. For people in these groups, and end to the ongoing inclusivene…
Most notably, poor people. As a hackery type who came from poverty, these seem a lot like silly problems. I've hung out in some pretty hostile places to get time with a soldering iron or a computer.
If you have access to any "hacking environment" or even just tools, you're already incredibly privileged.
> There had been interest, but one of the committers had dismissed the idea out of hand because a woman had proposed it. It blows my mind that this stuff still happens. In the OSS world of all places. I can't even compute how someone can apply such "logic".
I think we need to start recognizing that this is just the sign of low intelligence. You can not argue with people who are judgmental. It's just like arguing with a drunk. Whatever you say is just waste of time and energy and by even going in to the discussion you let them drag you down to their level.
You should think about what you're saying.
This was awesome. Not because it dispels a meme that is negative in the industry, not because it is some sort of proof a woman can succeed in tech, or any other of this tropic nonsense. It was such an amazing message that was totally gender neutral: "I like building things because I am curious and I pursue knowledge for its own sake" With all the confirmation bias and name calling (which I am certainly guilty of from…
The "shut up and build things" position embodies the tacit assumption that the world naturally pushes itself to an equillibrium that is fair and just. The assumption that racism and sexism result in elastic deformation of society that will go away as soon as you remove whatever force is warping it. I don't think history bears that out. Society is a soft ductile metal. If you bend it, it'll stay bent. You have to hamm…
Yes, this is the economic assumption - folks are greedy and will exploit undervalued resources.
I don't think history bears that out. Society is a soft ductile metal. If you bend it, it'll stay bent.
This ignores the history of various oppressed groups who unbent themselves (east Asians, south Asians, Jews, Irish). It also ignores the fact that women have unbent themselves in most fields, just not math heavy STEM fields.
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you should try reading about feminism sometime
Maybe they just read, say, Dworkin, on how all heterosexual sex is rape? Pretending people who disagree with political movements just need to understand those movements more is presumptuous.