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Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

boredguy8 wrote: post #86
narag wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

So taking software, music, books, movies, and other things without paying for them isn't theft? Is anything that can be represented as binary data free from ownership? Or only the things you want? Why is taking a car theft? Because it's physical? Care to justify that metaphysical distinction?

Taking a picture of a car you got from Google Streetview != theft of the car. Taking a car from the Googleplex [without the owners permission] == theft. Do you need us to explain why?

The first has zero cost to the owner of the car, they keep their car and Google keep their [Google's] picture of it, plus I get my copy.

The second denies the owner their original and any possible use of that original.

The distinction is physical, not metaphysical. The clue is in the terms property and intellectual property. One of these is ethereal and almost impossible to steal [at present], can you guess which?

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Post by whughes »

Keyframe wrote: post #15
diablo_r wrote: post #10

This war is already lost for copyrights protectors, the question is when they stop bother us.

By us, people who steal stuff?

It doesn't matter. The war is lost anyway. You're not going to change anyone's mind; people simply don't place value on files.

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Post by narag »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #90
narag wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

Abortion is murder because it purposefully denies the baby their life. Copyright is not theft because it does not deny the creator access to and full enjoyment of their creation [though it's probably possible to construct some situation in which it does?]. Whether you believe the murder of the child is justified is a separate question. But even if you believe copyright infringement is wrong someone doing it will not…

Abortion is murder because...

Abortion is not murder because the law says so. Laws and beliefs are two different things. Murder and abortion (except the cirscumstances in which it's permitted) are two legal concepts. There are also "popular" meanings, but the ones that matters if you want to do something about a behaviour are the legal meanings. You can't sue people because of your beliefs.

Wrong and right are "moral" or "ethical" concepts, so different persons have different notions of right and wrong. But there is only one law (in each country, at a given moment).

Natural law is a dead idea. Of course moral concepts are often the motivation for people to try to crate and change laws. But only when the ideas take the form of law, they become a common ground.

BTW, have abortion and murder the same punishment in the USA? I mean illegal abortion. Even performed against the woman's will. I can assure you that it's not the case in many other countries.

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Post by boredguy8 »

narag wrote: post #87
boredguy8 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So taking software, music, books, movies, and other things without paying for them isn't theft? Is anything that can be represented as binary data free from ownership? Or only the things you want? Why is taking a car theft? Because it's physical? Care to justify that metaphysical distinction?

It's a legal distinction. Laws say that they're different. Also there's a number of material differences that justify that different treatment. Theft removes the object from someone. Copyright infringement does not. Theft (as tipified in my country, opposed to "hurto" or "apropiación indebida", sorry don't know how to translate those) means certain quantity, violence on persons or things. Even if the same laws were a…

That "legal distinction" says stealing music is punishable by millions in fines, so...please start making sense some time soon. The very legal system you want to overthrow you're now saying justifies claiming one isn't theft.

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Post by [deleted] »

boredguy8 wrote: post #94
narag wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a legal distinction. Laws say that they're different. Also there's a number of material differences that justify that different treatment. Theft removes the object from someone. Copyright infringement does not. Theft (as tipified in my country, opposed to "hurto" or "apropiación indebida", sorry don't know how to translate those) means certain quantity, violence on persons or things. Even if the same laws were a…

That "legal distinction" says stealing music is punishable by millions in fines, so...please start making sense some time soon. The very legal system you want to overthrow you're now saying justifies claiming one isn't theft.

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Post by aerique »

jacquesm wrote: post #50
aerique wrote: post #20

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I'm willing to bet 100 euros that Brein will get away with it.

In court, probably yes. But in the press, probably not.

I don't know what has happened to most of my fellow countrymen for the last 10 or 15 years but they don't really give a shit. They're of the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear"-mentality.

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Post by aerique »

cracki wrote: post #32
eli wrote: post #27

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If you don't mind using a PC as a DVD player, AnyDvd strips all that stuff out (along with region coding and most other DRM)

and then you burn the stripped video back and put it in your home theater.

I know all this but it's the fact that I have to go through all this trouble to be able to use something that I paid good money for.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by CamperBob »

tom_rath wrote: post #18
maxer wrote: post #13

I'm happy for the guys behind pirate bay they are making a killing, every time an article like this crops up on pages like this or digg/reddit its more marketing. start-ups take note- controversial is king!

Software start-ups should in particular note: If you're selling B2C and your target market is technically savvy, the folks who will pirate and distribute your work are considered heroes by many you've hoped to sell to.

They provide a better product for less money. That's called capitalism.

The fact that it's my product is unfortunate, but ultimately, I have to compete with them. I can only do that if I can make it easier to deal with my company than with the Pirate Bay. (Which is exactly how iTunes and Spotify work, for instance. You can compete with free: you do it by being convenient, and by finding ways to add value where it wouldn't otherwise exist.)

I've downloaded quite a bit of stuff from various torrent sites, but you know what's funny? I've never downloaded anything that I could have purchased from the copyright holder instead. Whose fault is that?

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Post by listic »

eli wrote: post #82
cracki wrote: post #32

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and then you burn the stripped video back and put it in your home theater.

Good point. I've actually got an old Thinkpad hooked up to my TV. It works better than you might think. The dock has HDMI and it puts out a full 1080.

Would you please elaborate: which Thinkpad and dock models are those? I was not aware that there is such thing as dock with HDMI.

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Post by eli »

listic wrote: post #99
eli wrote: post #82

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Good point. I've actually got an old Thinkpad hooked up to my TV. It works better than you might think. The dock has HDMI and it puts out a full 1080.

Would you please elaborate: which Thinkpad and dock models are those? I was not aware that there is such thing as dock with HDMI.

Apologies! I meant DVI (along with a DVI->HDMI cable). But as far as I can tell, that's just as good. All digital signal and it looks crisp on my HD TV.

It's a T43/p. I believe the /p is important since the regular T43 had a crap graphics card. And I think it's a ThinkPad Port Replicator II (like $20 on ebay).

Getting the drivers for the DVI port just right under Linux took some work though.

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