I really want to see a heat map of this phenomena. I have a feeling there is strong geographic and urban/rural differences here. I would also like to see the percentage of the population that has been arrested by age. This statistic is definitely not representative of where I live, that being said I don't disbelieve it, I just want to understand the details. P.S. I am also disgusted when children are charged as adult…
Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
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#92Nearly half of black males and almost 40 percent of white males in the U.S. are arrested by age 23, which can hurt their ability to find work, go to school and participate fully in their communities. An arrest by itself, without an accompanying conviction, cannot be used to deny employment. 1. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/arrest_conviction.cfm#I
Do arrest records show up in background checks by employers?
I've never had that experience, but I've been turned down on a couple of home rental applications when past arrests have turned up when running a background check. I'd assume the type of business that cared enough to run background checks would certainly catch any arrest on someone's record.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The right to be forgotten lies in a gray zone. Who is going to be the judge of what needs to be forgotten and what can stay public ?
I don't see it as a gray zone at all. There is a public record for a reason, as well as libel/slander laws in the U.S. The search engines and the Internet just think those don't matter. They are wrong, and the courts will continue to tweak the verbiage and hand down rulings until they adhere to them. - If a local paper published the home address of a woman who was a private citizen in their paper, every single day, a…
Do you have any sort of citation or reference to back up your claim that a newspaper would be liable for a murder due to printing an address in the US? Wouldn't everyone be liable for everything if "someone used a fact you published to commit a crime" was the standard?
In the US, libel and slander laws can't be used to prevent people from saying things which they can prove to be true or factual.
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Legally, no, but it's getting common for employers to Google-background-investigate potential hires, and arrest notices can come up in such searches, which employers may or may not put unofficial weight on. Though you might be better off in a big city. In smaller towns, this kind of administrative stuff ends up published: local papers, or even the sheriff's office directly, often put out an arrest blotter with the na…
Ya, stuff like that is why we need a right to be forgotten in the US. People tend to see an arrest and leap to conclusions. I say this as a person who has never been arrested. :/
Your comment has been noted for posterity as "arrested criminal sympathiser"
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ya, stuff like that is why we need a right to be forgotten in the US. People tend to see an arrest and leap to conclusions. I say this as a person who has never been arrested. :/
The 'right to be forgotten' is impossible to enforce. We just need to be more forgiving.
The "right to be forgotten" is just a societal mechanism for enforcing forgiveness, since we lack any other way to enforce or even particularly suggest forgiveness as a society [1]. Humans are not wired for the proper amounts of forgiveness in a digital world. (One can debate how correctly wired they are under other circumstances, but I feel pretty confident that our thresholds aren't even close to right for a digital world where nothing ever decays naturally and everything is right at your fingertips.)
[1]: Before correcting that, do think about whether it is an option to society, and I am specifically referring to the US. Various religions do some work here, but we do not as a society wish to use that mechanism.
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#96Nearly half of black males and almost 40 percent of white males in the U.S. are arrested by age 23, which can hurt their ability to find work, go to school and participate fully in their communities. An arrest by itself, without an accompanying conviction, cannot be used to deny employment. 1. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/arrest_conviction.cfm#I
Do arrest records show up in background checks by employers?
Given that they're often published in newspapers, you can often find that information in a few seconds on Google. I think it's dreadful that police forces do perp walks and publish mugshots of arresstees who may not even end up getting charged.
All sorts of other things show up. I'm named in an eviction lawsuit from the 1990s, which might make someone think I was a deadbeat who didn't pay rent. As it happened the house I was renting a room in was sold and the new owner wanted everyone to leave so he could move in, but nuances like that aren't obvious from the summary records at the court.
Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#97I really want to see a heat map of this phenomena. I have a feeling there is strong geographic and urban/rural differences here. I would also like to see the percentage of the population that has been arrested by age. This statistic is definitely not representative of where I live, that being said I don't disbelieve it, I just want to understand the details. P.S. I am also disgusted when children are charged as adult…
http://xkcd.com/1138/
This is often true, but until you see the heat map you don't know that. When its not true, things get interesting.
I think this case may not completely match the joke. In this case, I have a feeling due to issues of poverty and education that, for example, the rural South might have a higher arrest rate then the rural Midwest even at locales of similar population density.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might also want to do something about those arrest rates. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
I'll get right on that as soon as I take over the world. You assume I'm happy about the arrest rates, I'm not. However, I don't have any real ability to change them besides not voting for "tough on crime" politicians. I already do that for all the good it does.
It possible that the ballot box is no longer the biggest tool in your kit. Stick your neck out, support a local cause that is affected by this perverse phenomenon if you can. Myself, I have been arrested multiple times and have convictions relating to environmental protest (terrorism?). Do not underestimate the empowerment that comes from taking the leap of faith to back up your convictions with acts of resistance.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might also want to do something about those arrest rates. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.
I'll get right on that as soon as I take over the world. You assume I'm happy about the arrest rates, I'm not. However, I don't have any real ability to change them besides not voting for "tough on crime" politicians. I already do that for all the good it does.
I meant "you" as the second person plural - you as in the American people.