Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account • Hacker News Board

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#91

Post by ScUnlimitedUser » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 12:36 PM UTC

Citing the Terms of Soundcloud: "SoundCloud may assign its rights and (where permissible by law) its obligations under this Agreement, in whole or in part, to any third party at any time without notice, including without limitation, to any person or entity acquiring all or substantially all of the assets or business of SoundCloud."

This is embarassing. I use a number of payed accounts, with original content only, but sometimes you should rethink whom you give your money, and if you still can trust them. I don't want any major label - and nobody - to shoot me in the back out of nowhere.

I'm German, the SC offices are two streets from where I sit now. I have some doubt if their Terms apply to German law in all the details. Unfortunately, I'm no lawyer.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#92

Post by mercnet » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 1:41 PM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #76

ElectronicSleep wrote: post #57

I have just had this very issue directly as an electronic music producer. Was flagged for my own original music NOT on a remix or anything that contained samples but an original jam I made with some classic Roland hardware; Roland SH-101, TR-909, and TR-606! Seems the algorithm they use to flag has many flaws and is automated with no one at the wheel to look at individual cases. Not sure where soundcloud is going wit…

That's a much more legit complaint than the one in the source article, and as an electronic musician myself I can see how that would happen. Sadly Mixcloud has problems of its own, eg this, which I posted here the other day: http://support.mixcloud.com/customer/portal/articles/1595564...

I was so confused on what type of license would prevent me seeking a track. Luckily I can just google "download from mixcloud" and problem goes away.

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#93

Post by BasDirks » Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 2:00 PM UTC

beedogs wrote: post #77

ProAm wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why have we, as a society, become OK with handing over policing power to corporations unrestrained by due process? These companies do not care about due process, they care about the bottom line of making a dollar at the end of the day. Soundcloud determined it is much less expensive for them to go this route than be sued by Universal. Every company follows this practice as for they are serving their best interest.…

> Soundcloud determined it is much less expensive for them to go this route than be sued by Universal. Which is sad, because Soundcloud would win in court, as they'd have no problem proving that the site doesn't exist primarily to help its users infringe copyrights owned by Universal.

Is it that simple?

Re: Soundcloud Releases New App, Allows Universal to Flag Your Account

#94

Post by Argorak » Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 11:27 AM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #85

Argorak wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a tricky subject. If you are german, you are entitled to broadcast it. Germany has mandatory licensing for broadcast through GEMA.

Well, you'd still owe a fee as the broadcaster. Unless I'm very muh mistaken, you can't just buy a bunch of CDs and then have public performance rights; it's just that as long as you pay the GEMA fees, rightholders can't decline to license the work to you. Here's a good Techdirt article about GEMA (and regular readers will know I usually find TD a deplorable source due to poor reportage, but this is an exception): ht…

That's why I said "entitled". Yes, you don't have the license unless you pay GEMA (after the fact, btw), but the license must be granted to you at a fixed fee.