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Why is everyone so surprised that Microsoft bundled a language that Microsoft built into a piece of software that Microsoft built? This says nothing about TypeScript's future among non-.NET developers.
Microsoft has a potential winning strategy here vs. Dart. They are basically giving JS programmers no more than what they are directly asking for.
My only gripe - VS is way too expensive, for my pocket at least. And you need VS to program in TS, Intellisense is that good. Sure, you can go with Express edition but then you don't have node.js extension - which kinda make the whole endeavour bit pointless (again, for me at least). Wish they would bring prices to the level of, for example, those of Jetbrains, or made node.js extension working with Express.
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If you have your own startup or small company or are a student, Microsoft has several options aimed at you: - BizSpark for startups( http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/ ) - DreamSpark for students ( https://www.dreamspark.com/ ) and I think there are other options if you contact someone at your local Microsoft office. I've just started using BizSpark (for a side project with 2 friends, so the "startup" term is a bit l…
The first hit/dose is free. On the other hand you do have companies that do make millions that are bailing on certain aspects of Microsoft tools and servers due licensing costs and increases. I've been involved in IT budgeting for almost two decades and the CFOs don't always sign the check just because it's an IBM/Microsoft/Oracle solution. Software cost for my side projects: $0
While baking TypeScript into Visual Studio isn't a certainty of its future success (e.g. Silverlight), it is a good indicator of Microsoft's commitment to the language. As a former CoffeeScript user, I love TypeScript: it's a more consistent language driven by a real language designer, Anders Heijlsberg, author of Turbo Pascal, Delphi, C#, and now TypeScript. I am building 2 major projects using it: - RavenDB Managem…
It's also no indicator of continued commitment (Silverlight, WebClasses).
TypeScript is an intriguing language. It's much closer to vanilla JavaScript than CoffeeScript and that may make it feel more comfortable to JS users.
It's too soon to guess which approaches will prevail on the long run, so, one may as well hedge bets.
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If you have your own startup or small company or are a student, Microsoft has several options aimed at you: - BizSpark for startups( http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/ ) - DreamSpark for students ( https://www.dreamspark.com/ ) and I think there are other options if you contact someone at your local Microsoft office. I've just started using BizSpark (for a side project with 2 friends, so the "startup" term is a bit l…
The first hit/dose is free. On the other hand you do have companies that do make millions that are bailing on certain aspects of Microsoft tools and servers due licensing costs and increases. I've been involved in IT budgeting for almost two decades and the CFOs don't always sign the check just because it's an IBM/Microsoft/Oracle solution. Software cost for my side projects: $0
I wouldn't refuse something cheaper, but the price seemed fair enough as these things go. For a side project this is perhaps a little steep, and if you could realistically use something cheaper you would be silly not to, but for a business with an actual need for all this Microsoft junk this seems like reasonable value.
Stuff that costs me less than £~500/yr: printer paper.
Stuff that costs me more than £~500/yr: everything else.
Then again, just to back up your point - my last employer switched everybody from MS Office to OpenOffice to avoid the licensing fees, even though numerous internal tools (that then had to be rewritten, at a cost of several man-weeks, plus drag due to changes in workflow for the less technical staff that used them) relied on VBA, COM and OLE stuff that OpenOffice didn't support. And the place I'm currently working with doesn't install Visual Studio on the servers (each server = 6-core Core i7 with 32GB RAM, 2TB RAID1, 1TB SSD) because apparently it would be too costly to do that. So maybe once you become big enough for MS to care about things start to become rather more expensive.
What I find funny is that this is, ironically, Microsoft's old strategy but with a positive twist. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Microsoft has already embraced Javascript - we could argue that they brought their own demise as the dominating platform when they created XMLHttpRequest. Now they're extending it. Maybe I'm naive but at this point I don't fear Typescript extinguishing Javascript. If they send things to ECMA…
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The only thing needed now is a higher-level version of HTML... Something like XAML for instance.
You say XAML in jest but once you get over the learning curve, it is incredible expressive, it will make you hate HTML and CSS.
The 'fix' was to create two line elements over the borders you wanted coloured differently.
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You don't need VS for TS. Eclipse and WebStorm support it pretty well. I've evaluated Visual Studio, Eclipse and WebStorm, and Eclipse and WebStorm are better for TypeScript development, at least if you're using Node.js.
In my experience, Typescript support in IntelliJ/Webstorm has always been sketchy --- so much that I find it quite unfair that they would mention this as a feature of the paying version. I still use it, but I often get invalid highlighting, etc.. Then I update to the latest EAP because it's supposed to fix this particular issue... and then other appear. Hmm, annoying... I tried the VS version as well, and there the h…
1) Report bugs, they get fixed pretty quick 2) EAPs are not guaranteed stable 3) It's early days yet, it'll get better.
Microsoft has a potential winning strategy here vs. Dart. They are basically giving JS programmers no more than what they are directly asking for.
I think this is more directed at C# users. The focus of TS is to let tooling (specifically Visual Studio) do the same stuff it does in C#. They tried and failed to make VS good for JS.
And, if you want to use an IDE over say vim or Notepads, then Webstorm is the best.
Why is everyone so surprised that Microsoft bundled a language that Microsoft built into a piece of software that Microsoft built? This says nothing about TypeScript's future among non-.NET developers.
I would say that TypeScript is actually more popular outside of the .NET ecosystem than in it.