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Re: Jolla

#91

Post by eric_cc »

pekk wrote: post #90
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

You might as well complain that they are launching in Finland. You don't seem to understand anything about the context or audience for this phone at the present time.

> You don't seem to understand anything about the context or audience for this phone at the present time.

Neither do I. Since the website didn't, do you care to explain?

Re: Jolla

#92

Post by jggonz »

jasonkester wrote: post #60
jggonz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the homepage "Jolla.com" it says: Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. Navigate effortlessly with the gesture-based user interface and load the phone with top Android™ apps. So it is a phone since they call it a phone. :)

Imagine the difference had they said "Jolla is a smart phone powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. Navigate effortlessly with the gesture-based user interface and load it with top Android™ apps." rather than bury the most important point on the whole website as a single word at the end of a long paragraph full of technical jargon. That would qualify as calling it a phone. Better s…

I totally agree with you... and my comment was in no way a praise for their marketing team. I actually couldn't tell from the image if it was a phone or not. I had to actually hunt for the word phone. It could have been an 'iPod Touch' clone.

Re: Jolla

#93

Post by shooper »

Kinda off topic, but as soon as I opened that page in a new background tab, it froze my browser and PC for about a minute with an hourglass before it would respond to my inputs. I thought it crashed the system, but everything is okay now. I did close the tab after giving it a cursory look because it looked too noisy and light on content. Perhaps someone can analyze how much RAM, CPU and bandwidth that page takes up. And I am rocking a quadcore computer with 8 gigs of RAM.

Sigh, the more the hardware giveth, the more the new fangled web pages taketh away.

Re: Jolla

#94

Post by untog »

brodney wrote: post #21
pliny wrote: post #13

The Peek and Pull features exists on the iPhone - but the directions are reversed. Changing the directions means that app developers cannot develop the same app for both iOS and Sailfish since they have to place important information that shouldn't be covered up by notifications, or shouldn't be interacted with in a way that could activate the notifications menu, on the bottom in iOS and on the top on Sailfish. Is th…

Developing the same app for both platforms is a Bad Thing. I want Android apps on Android, iPhone apps on iPhone. Mixing never works out well in the long term.

Sure, but realistically not every organisation has the capacity to develop entirely different apps for every platform. And especially not for minority platforms like Jolla.

Re: Jolla

#95

Post by Brakenshire »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the people who created the N9 in the first place. Sailfish OS stays closer to Linux than Android, using Wayland, Qt/QML, PulseAudio etc, and adhering to the Linux Standard Base specification. It also comes packaged with an Android runtime based on Alien Dalvik, so that it can run Android applications (similar to Blackberry 10), although it won't have access to Google Play or the Play Services APIs. The phone is being launched this week in Finland, and there are plans for release in the rest of Europe, and in China, though not so far in the US.

Edit: Some more technical details about the OS: https://sailfishos.org/about-technology.html

Re: Jolla

#96

Post by agilebyte »

blahbl4hblahtoo wrote: post #54
agilebyte wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate social responsibility could be thought of as (a part of) a soul of a company. http://www.nokia.com/global/about-nokia/people-and-planet/st...

It's not a person. Microsoft has statements like that. Why don't they have a soul? I'm actually not trying to be flippant. I think that people need to question their assumptions about "companies as people"...Nokia didn't "have a soul". It was a business. The fact that people think it did reflects more on their marketing than anything else.

Have you seen Hank Poulsen's documentary about precious materials that make it into mobiles? He referred to Nokia as a company that does not do bad and is responsible.

If only to force/guilt-trip companies to do better and be responsible to their workforce, customers, supply chain, country etc., I am going to talk about companies and their soul.

http://bloodinthemobile.org/

Re: Jolla

#97

Post by pekk »

mortenjorck wrote: post #76
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For comparison, Nokia's N9 / Meego Harmattan (Jolla Sailfish's predecessor) site from 2011: http://swipe.nokia.com/design/ Nokia made a clearer case for the OS. Jolla's video shows a bunch of rapid-fire tasks that are too hard to follow, and doesn't really showcase the simplicity of the swipe system like Nokia did. There's not enough that's surfaced here to show why you'd choose Jolla over Apple or Google.

We all know how well N9 did in unseating Apple...

Re: Jolla

#98

Post by pekk »

eric_cc wrote: post #91
pekk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might as well complain that they are launching in Finland. You don't seem to understand anything about the context or audience for this phone at the present time.

> You don't seem to understand anything about the context or audience for this phone at the present time. Neither do I. Since the website didn't, do you care to explain?

It is launching in Finland, do you think it is meant for you to buy it for Mom instead of an iPhone today?

Re: Jolla

#99

Post by pekk »

lambda wrote: post #47
MehdiEG wrote: post #24

For those who are wondering why this is up on the front page: Jolla is launching their first handset tonight in Helsinki: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-... I always wondered why Jolla is getting so little love from HN. To me and from a geek / hacker point of view, Jolla is an awful lot more interesting than Android. Anyone who's had the chance to own a Meego device knows how incredibly t…

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

That depends on what people invest in delivering.

The best idea in the world could be sunk by a decision to switch to Windows Phone, and you would judge it as "under-delivery"

Re: Jolla

#100

Post by blahbl4hblahtoo »

agilebyte wrote: post #96
blahbl4hblahtoo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a person. Microsoft has statements like that. Why don't they have a soul? I'm actually not trying to be flippant. I think that people need to question their assumptions about "companies as people"...Nokia didn't "have a soul". It was a business. The fact that people think it did reflects more on their marketing than anything else.

Have you seen Hank Poulsen's documentary about precious materials that make it into mobiles? He referred to Nokia as a company that does not do bad and is responsible. If only to force/guilt-trip companies to do better and be responsible to their workforce, customers, supply chain, country etc., I am going to talk about companies and their soul . http://bloodinthemobile.org/

OK. Fair enough. That doesn't not make Nokia a sentient entity with "a soul".

It's a business that has a fair degree of social responsibility in its business plans.

My point with this isn't to be pedantic...I'm trying to say that referring to them in this way plays into the larger picture where it is in all businesses interest to have us refer to them as a person. They aren't.

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