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Re: Jolla

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Post by dotBen »

jggonz wrote: post #55
lambda wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

> Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting. The more options there are for the consumer, the better off we are. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android scene. If it weren't for other options being available, we'd still be living with 3.5" LCD…

"More options are better for the consumer:" not if you consider fragmentation. While this runs Android apps, it's not clear if it's fully/"acid" compliant and the risk is Sailfish's flavor of Android is a black-sheep stepchild of Android that doesn't always run Android apps properly.

"BTW you can call any product vaporware" - not really. The iPhone wasn't vaporware as it was never officially mentioned before it was released. Android was launched pretty early on with the G1, etc.

Re: Jolla

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Post by dotBen »

speeder wrote: post #6

I was wondering why a condom site was on HN, then I entered and saw it was the mobile phone one... Too bad for them their name (at least in Brazil) still sounds like a condom name though. (the most popular condom in Brazil is named "Olla") More on topic edit: > The original Finnish design, with no front-facing buttons, stands out from the pack. Only me find this... ironic? I mean, almost all smarphones now come witho…

Similarly, "jolla" is the pronunciation for the Korean word for "erect penis".

Re: Jolla

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Post by tixocloud »

jasonkester wrote: post #60
jggonz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the homepage "Jolla.com" it says: Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. Navigate effortlessly with the gesture-based user interface and load the phone with top Android™ apps. So it is a phone since they call it a phone. :)

Imagine the difference had they said "Jolla is a smart phone powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. Navigate effortlessly with the gesture-based user interface and load it with top Android™ apps." rather than bury the most important point on the whole website as a single word at the end of a long paragraph full of technical jargon. That would qualify as calling it a phone. Better s…

Agreed although I would push them further to communicate the value proposition for me as a potential customer. Why do I care? Why do I need a Jolla smart phone? What makes it so different? Skip the features and tell me how it's going to change my life and the way I do things for the better.

Re: Jolla

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Post by mortenjorck »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For comparison, Nokia's N9 / Meego Harmattan (Jolla Sailfish's predecessor) site from 2011: http://swipe.nokia.com/design/

Nokia made a clearer case for the OS. Jolla's video shows a bunch of rapid-fire tasks that are too hard to follow, and doesn't really showcase the simplicity of the swipe system like Nokia did. There's not enough that's surfaced here to show why you'd choose Jolla over Apple or Google.

Re: Jolla

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Post by Shamanmuni »

lambda wrote: post #47
MehdiEG wrote: post #24

For those who are wondering why this is up on the front page: Jolla is launching their first handset tonight in Helsinki: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-... I always wondered why Jolla is getting so little love from HN. To me and from a geek / hacker point of view, Jolla is an awful lot more interesting than Android. Anyone who's had the chance to own a Meego device knows how incredibly t…

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

Odd, I have a Nokia N9 with Meego in front of me, works perfectly and was cheaper than a similar Android phone. I'm completely aware of this family problems, but you can't say that it hasn't delivered.

The Jolla devs have promised a guide for installing Sailfish OS in this phone, so I will happily make the switch when they publish it.

We are in Hacker News, today you can't find a more hacker-friendly OS for your phone (well, maybe Firefox OS is on par, I haven't used it). I think that's what the parent was talking about.

Re: Jolla

#79

Post by zanny »

koide wrote: post #56
jdalgetty wrote: post #38

Looks cool but I wish it had beefier hardware specs.

What are you missing concretely and why?

Just compare it to the Nexus 5 at the same price point. Half the memory, probably lower res screen, the sd card slot is great but I don't think it justifies a $100+ price premium.

I'd rather see Nexus 5's flashed with Ubuntu Phone / Plasma Active / Tizen / Sailfish than all these companies trying to batch order hardware of their own that never has the economies of scale Google could pull off.

Re: Jolla

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Post by kryptiskt »

dotBen wrote: post #71
jggonz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting. The more options there are for the consumer, the better off we are. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android scene. If it weren't for other options being available, we'd still be living with 3.5" LCD…

"More options are better for the consumer:" not if you consider fragmentation. While this runs Android apps, it's not clear if it's fully/"acid" compliant and the risk is Sailfish's flavor of Android is a black-sheep stepchild of Android that doesn't always run Android apps properly. "BTW you can call any product vaporware" - not really. The iPhone wasn't vaporware as it was never officially mentioned before it was r…

> The iPhone wasn't vaporware as it was never officially mentioned before it was released.

iPhone was announced on January 9 2007 and went on sale June 29 the same year.

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