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Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by vidarh »

nraynaud wrote: post #41
Nrsolis wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really sad is that this guy is going to learn really fast that he's now in a sphere where the rules simply don't apply. He's put himself in play and he's going to learn very quickly that he has few friends where a nation considers the information in his brain essential to their national security. http://www.amazon.com/The-Flight-Falcon-Manhunt-Americas/dp/... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falcon_and_the_Sno…

Yeah, as seen from far away, Latin America is just CIA's backyard, and as far as I know they have no restrain there.

They may show no restraint, but there's also a number of these countries that are experienced at countering the CIA after decades of interference and that now have governments that are either openly anti-US or extremely wary of US interference.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by Zak »

Tangaroa wrote: post #73
enraged_camel wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.

I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themsel…

The NSA secured an order from the FISC directing Verizon to turn over metadata on all calls made within the US, which includes data about the location of their customers' mobile phones. The Supreme Court has ruled that long-term tracking requires a warrant. The decision was unanimous, but split as to reasoning. The majority held that such tracking without a warrant violates the 4th amendment. It is quite likely that obtaining phone records for the purpose of tracking location has the same legal status.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by LoganCale »

Tangaroa wrote: post #73
enraged_camel wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.

I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themsel…

He leaked a classified warrant ordering Verizon to turn over data on all their customers in the U.S., which is obviously without any probable cause.

He leaked a Justice Department document signed by Eric Holder detailing all the exceptions where they can spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by samstave »

Tangaroa wrote: post #47
synctext wrote: post #4

Why is this trip of Snowden made into a media event? The Aeroflot flight number was public! Is this to counter a secret rendition attempt? Did we wake-up in a world with 007 stuff happening to real computer nerds, not just high-paid actors?

The entire Snowden hoax is a media event, a PR campaign to cover up the fact that he spied on the US for foreign powers. It's the most effective case of spin and damage control that I've ever seen.

You're confused and likely misguided.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by Nrsolis »

vinceguidry wrote: post #70
Nrsolis wrote: post #63

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You took the words right out of my mouth. Remember that the Russians killed Litvinenko in the middle of Mayfair, London, UK. The Israelis killed Mahmoud Hamshari in Paris. Remember that these were all nuclear nations. I'll leave the research of any possible US involvements as an exercise to the reader.

These sort of tricks are precisely why Snowden went public.

Litvinenko was pretty public IIRC. Still dead. Still radioactive.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by mongol »

vidarh wrote: post #84
gsnedders wrote: post #72

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…because the Swedish government can make no such promise, as extradition is a matter for the judiciary, and the judiciary cannot hear the case until they have an extradition request in hand. Having a strong separation between government and judiciary is good . He never had any guarantee from the UK that he would not be extradited, and yet was happy to spend time there.

> …because the Swedish government can make no such promise, as extradition is a matter for the judiciary This is a half truth. The Swedish government can overrule the judiciary to prevent extradition, and have on multiple occasions. They government have chosen not to offer such guarantees. Though frankly, a bigger concern is the prosecutors insistence on not questioning him in the UK and her claim she somehow can't,…

Within a month, an extradition request was made official for Snowden. But in 2 years time, no such thing for Assange.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by maratd »

Tangaroa wrote: post #73
enraged_camel wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing to add, as it wasn't a discussion. You put forward the assertion that the entire thing is a hoax and that Snowden is a Chinese spy. You provided absolutely zero evidence. And you expect me to "add to the discussion?" What a joke.

I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themsel…

> I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people.

Recording meta-data of phone calls and certainly the phone calls themselves, is a gross violation of the 4th amendment and the people's right "to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures".

And that is true regardless of what a pack of jackasses appointed to some court have decided and it is still true regardless of what a pack of jackasses elected to congress think. I'll even include the president, just for you.

I'll even go so far as to say that this right isn't even dependent on what a bunch of jackasses happen to think on the Internet. Crazy, I know.

My right is absolute and independent of what anyone else thinks. It is a right given to all human beings by God himself. A natural right recognized in any civilized country.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by pyre »

LoganCale wrote: post #93
Tangaroa wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still waiting on Snowden to provide evidence of the NSA breaking the 4th amendment and illegally spying on the American people. For all the panic and the republication of old stories about the NSA, it is Snowden who has provided absolutely zero evidence. What we do have is that Snowden copied a large cache of thousands of sensitive documents and gave them to who-knows-who. Suddenly countries that position themsel…

He leaked a classified warrant ordering Verizon to turn over data on all their customers in the U.S., which is obviously without any probable cause. He leaked a Justice Department document signed by Eric Holder detailing all the exceptions where they can spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant.

I thought that the Verizon warrant came out due to some EFF actions sending FOIA requests to the FISA court regarding a specific proceeding.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by bobwaycott »

iandanforth wrote: post #86
awakeasleep wrote: post #55

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Ill go a step further. Snowmen is really a bellwether event created by this administration to either provide a redemption story for the Obama administration, should the public object too strongly-- or to test if surveillance can be taken much farther (if the public remains apathetic)

I hope at least the movie version ends this way, it would be a great twist. The leaker walks into the oval office and shakes the hand of the president, who smiles, and fade to black.

To make it even more fun, as it fades, close up on the President handing the leaker his plane ticket to Hong Kong.

Re: Official statement from WikiLeaks regarding Edward Snowden's exit from Hong Kong

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Post by sasidharm »

pmichaud wrote: post #67
synctext wrote: post #59

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> Snowden is really a bellwether event. Why would Obama sanction deeply-embarrassing revelations and expose the staggering depth of warrantless spying?

Maybe Obama is deeply opposed to the whole thing himself, but it's so entrenched he couldn't really do anything about it. Think of how he gets blocked routinely in the public view and imagine what cut throat stuff must be going on behind the scenes. So maybe this is a way to do an end run around whoever is keeping these shenanigans in place. This is almost certainly not the case, but that's the answer that came to mi…

The appointment of Eric Holder as the head of DOJ could be the defining moment of Obama's presidency. Everything Eric Holder is involved in is turning into a huge pile of shit.
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