Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
Kind of interesting how analog media is still the best archival media. Throw your data on a stone tablet it's going to last 10,000 years.
M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
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Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is said that cellulose film can achieve a 1000-year life expectancy if stored in specialized cold and dry storage environments. Oh and its a fire/explosion hazard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_MGM_vault_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_National_Archives_vault_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire Also related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myspace#Music On March 18, 2019, it was revealed that Myspace had lost all of its user content from launch until 2015 in a botched server migration with no backup. Over 50 million songs and 12 years' wort…
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
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In a 1000 years even if they don’t have the drives, as long as they still know roughly how it works maybe they will photograph it with a microscope and read the tracks in the M-Disc from that. Then they will have to decode it also of course.
Maybe. The question is why are we needing to read these disks in a thousand years. I would guess right now that the most likely case is information we care about is archived on modern formats such as hard drives, which are constantly being copied to different drives as the old ones go out and so in a thousand years they'll still have all the data in a much more accessible format than a very obsolete disk. If, instead…
This is a short-sighted view. I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of the internet has disappeared, and a bunch of spotty bits of that disappeared history are sitting on a single disk somewhere. A huge amount of that information could be interesting and useful to someone for some reason, and it is almost lost now.
Surprised that these are only "1.5x to 3x" the price of regular blurays. Just a tiny bit lower and we could abandon regular blurays themselves, and stop using hard drives for static backups. Making these a standard could save a lot of that sparsely recorded data for the future.
I still can't get over the silent film massacre - so many hit movies by acclaimed directors simply don't exist; or the BBC decades long video wiping spree, or the dumping of the DuMont network archives into the East River. Our views of the past are completely distorted because of these events; people who were unbelievably famous and influential passed into obscurity because most of their work was trashed, wiped, or on the DuMont network.
No reason to assume that things worth keeping will be kept. The assumption actually leads to the inaction that leads to the death of the things.
> I don't think the technology to read those disks will exist either, even though in theory, yes, that could be done.
They're not in secret code (unless that was the intention.) If you had one you could figure out how to make a machine to read it.
> It would be a massive reverse engineering effort
It would be a moderately difficult reverse engineering effort.
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#94Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#95Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#96Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#97Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
Kind of interesting how analog media is still the best archival media. Throw your data on a stone tablet it's going to last 10,000 years.
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the most realistic concern here is amazon scanning your backups. I totally get it. A lot of the reason for retaining total control over the storage medium is that what is being stored isn't strictly legal. You should locally encrypt 100% of the information you store on someone else's system with strong symmetric encryption. In fact, I think Amazon's legal team would quietly prefer that you do this. Dumping a…
I cant imagine many people are backing up movies/tv shows, certainly not ones readily available should a recovery be needed. I can understand more obscure shows but backing up something like The Odyssey would be a colossal waste of storage and money. (But yes - regardless of what it is, encrypt it)
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I cant imagine many people are backing up movies/tv shows, certainly not ones readily available should a recovery be needed. I can understand more obscure shows but backing up something like The Odyssey would be a colossal waste of storage and money. (But yes - regardless of what it is, encrypt it)
Readily available isn't what it used to be, with optical media going extinct and licenses being in endless churn
Re: M-DISC – DVD/Blu-ray compatible discs that may last up to 1000 years
#100Verbatim, who owns M-Disc, doesn't even manufacture discs anymore. They just slap their brand on other peoples discs. The discs sold as M-Discs now are actually just MABL BD-R's. They used to have a 'stone' data layer. Now they use a titanium metal data layer. MABL discs were always designed to last for about 100 years, and are orders of magnitude cheaper. 100 years is long enough, and 1000 years was always a wild-as…
Kind of interesting how analog media is still the best archival media. Throw your data on a stone tablet it's going to last 10,000 years.
The true difference between digital and “analogue” lies in the nature of the representation and interpretation of information, that is whether they are descriptions (symbolic) or analogies. The shape of the groove on a phonograph record is an analogy of a sound wave signal. The pits in a compact disc represent numerals which give a description of the amplitude of a signal at a given point in time.